Thread: News Flash! The economic recovery policies of Barack Obama are simply not working.

Originally Posted by Subdermal

If I can be of some help here:

The words Socialist/Marxist/Communist are pretty meaningless in this context. They're all basically the same, in that each of these ideologies requires an abandonment of individual exceptionalism and personal responsibility in favor of a 'collective'.

Obama is a Collectivist; beyond that it doesn't really matter what you call him. People call him a Corporatist as well, but - to my eye - that is just expedience on his part.

He needs the money and influence of those with money and influence to overthrow the power of those with money and influence. It is the core paradox of ideologies such as this - if those who possess such an ideology were really interested in the betterment of mankind.

Unfortunately, what we see from these ideologies when manifest is the opposite.

Let's start with this: pick a known Socialist, or Communist, or Marxist...and then explain to us how Obama's ideologies display direct opposition to them.

That'd be an interesting exercise.

If the search for truth is not just something that you feign.

This is good information, Subdermal.

Thanks for sharing. Here is some more information about the failed economic policies of Socialism and Communism.

The far-Left is a very tyrannical group; once they gain power, they limit liberty for everyone else who does not agree with them!

"Socialists cry "Power to the people", and raise the clenched fist as they say it. We all know what they really mean — power over people, power to the State."

-- Margaret Thatcher

Socialism is great if you are willing to accept a much reduced standard of living and an oppressive central government who is always telling you what to do and how to live your life to the benefit of the state!

Cuba, North Korea and the old Soviet Union and East Germany are four perfect examples!

Originally Posted by James Cessna

Most of the time, the liberals in this group expect us to take their word for it.

If a person is too lazy to provied a credible source for his/her statements, we must assume he or she is blowing smoke with made-up facts and nothing else!

I invited the liberals in tihs group to refute these facts about Obama's failed policies.

Originally Posted by James Cessna

I invited the liberals in tihs group to refute these facts about Obama's failed policies.

When Obama took office, the economy was tanking at a -9% real rate, losing 700,000+ jobs a month, unemployment was skyrocketing upward, and the stock markets were crashing in the worst recession in 80 years. The housing market was destroyed and we were headed straight for a depression.

But now the economy has been growing steadily for more than two years, the private sector has created jobs every month for more almost two years, stock markets are up almost 100% from their recession lows, and the unemployment rate has fallen from above 10% to 8.3%, and about 3.6 million private sector jobs have been added since Jan 2010.

That was tough.

Originally Posted by James Cessna

This is good information, Subdermal.

Thanks for sharing. Here is some more information about the failed economic policies of Socialism and Communism.

The far-Left is a very tyrannical group; once they gain power, they limit liberty for everyone else who does not agree with them!

"Socialists cry "Power to the people", and raise the clenched fist as they say it. We all know what they really mean — power over people, power to the State."

-- Margaret Thatcher

Socialism is great if you are willing to accept a much reduced standard of living and an oppressive central government who is always telling you what to do and how to live your life to the benefit of the state!

Cuba, North Korea and the old Soviet Union and East Germany are four perfect examples!

What is the difference between socialism and communism, professor?

Originally Posted by Iriemon

What is the difference between socialism and communism, professor?

I'm glad you asked.

Economic theory of Communism: "From each according to his ability; to each according to his need."

"Socialism is the idea that the working class, the class that produces the profits, the wealth, the cars, houses, planes, steel, should take over and run private businesses and corporations collectively, democratically, for the benefit of the majority who also "just happen" to be workers, of course!

Under pure socialism, the organized labor unions would take over the role of the senior managers and the Board of Directiors and appoint their own senior managers and members to the Board of Directiors. Company profits wouls not be distributed to the common stockholders, but instrad to the workers of the company.

And what if the company under new union management makes bad business decisions and goes broke? No problem, just have the federal government (actually, us -- the U.S. taxpayers) bail them out, like Barack Obama did with Solyndra!

Communism is the idea that society should not have classes - exploiters and exploited, oppressors and oppressed, and so on."

• Socialism generally refers to an economic system, while communism refers to both an economic and political system.

• Socialism seeks to manage the economy through deliberate and collective social control.

• Communism seeks to manage both the economy and the society by ensuring that property is owned collectively, and that control over the distribution of property is centralized in order to achieve both classlessness and statelessness.

• Both socialism and communism are based on the principle that the goods and services produced in an economy should be owned publicly, and controlled and planned by a centralized organization.

• Socialism says that the distribution should take place according to the amount of an individual's production efforts, whilst communism asserts that that goods and services should be distributed among the populace according to individuals' needs.

"From each according to his ability; to each according to his need."

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_th...#ixzz1nW55GZGd

Originally Posted by Professor Peabody

The GDP growth for all of 2011 was 1.7%, that pretty much says it all and there are 1.8 million less people working in Jan 2012 than in Nov 2011.

True!

By the way, these discussions about Obama's policies very good.

The economic recovery policies of Barack Obama are simply not working.

More young adults are unemployed today than when Barack Obama became president in 2009. And what does Obama propose to do about this problem?

He wants to (1) increase federal income taxes on the small business owners who provide most of the jobs for these young people, and (2) he wants to increase new federal regulations on small business owners that would each cost the U.S. economy more than $1 billion annually.

Is Barack Obama completely devoid of any knowledge or common sense on the subject of economics? It is a well know fact you don't raise taxes and increase the number of government regulations during an anemic economic recovery like we have now!

"Since 2010, the share of young adults ages 18 to 24 currently employed (54%) has been its lowest since the government began collecting these data in 1948."

"Today’s young adults have it harder than their parents did. Large majorities of the public say it’s harder for young adults to reach many of the basic financial goals their parents may have taken for granted. More than eight-in-ten (82%) say finding a job is harder for young adults today than it was for their parents’ generation."

Originally Posted by SiliconMagician

Jesus Christ, you obviously have a problem logically linking ideas together into a coherent whole and I suppose require a long list of very specific examples in order to understand.

I know WTF socialism is ok? The problem is that "control by the workers of the means of production" is completely and totally impossible and the only way that can be brought into existence is through the use of Government!! DUHHHHH!!!!

Why do you refuse to accept the modern, updated definiton of socialism which is broad and open and no longer considers "the workers" as the primary means of controlling production, but Government!!??

Whether you call it a "General Assembly" or a "Worker's Party" or what have you, it is a Government!! and it will have to centrally plan the economy from top to bottom.

Universal Health Care, is (*)(*)(*)(*)ign socialism okay? and Obama would rather have that than (*)(*)(*)(*)ing Obamacare!!!

Is that "specific" enough for such a tiny mind to logically link together??

You are correct, SiliconMagician.

The following is the economic policy Barack Obama loves best!

"From each according to his ability; to each according to his need."

Originally Posted by gingern42

The stimulus will have a lasting impact. Your grandchildren will be paying for it.

Even Obama now admits the stimulus did not work as advertised.

Obama vs Obama on the Stimulus

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