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    But the Cats out of the bag.It is no longer about verifiable
    accurate data.It's about The Movement.And a Kennedy
    Circling the wagon mindset.Global Warming Freaks are not going to
    stop with their propaganda.Just yesterday I noticed another corruption
    thru their efforts.Carl Sagan's Wikipedia Bio has been slightly
    corrupted.It has a sentence suggesting Sagan was worried about
    Global Warming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Foolardi View Post

    But the Cats out of the bag.It is no longer about verifiable
    accurate data.It's about The Movement.And a Kennedy
    Circling the wagon mindset.Global Warming Freaks are not going to
    stop with their propaganda.Just yesterday I noticed another corruption
    thru their efforts.Carl Sagan's Wikipedia Bio has been slightly
    corrupted.It has a sentence suggesting Sagan was worried about
    Global Warming.
    You are indeed correct, Foolardi!

    The least suggestion that global warming is a natural phenomenon causes the Global Warming Freaks to literally go ballistic.

    This movement has become a religion to them. They simply cannot let it go!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mac-7 View Post
    But we don't always have severe droughts, do we?

    Or floods.

    The fact is that plants respond very positively to increased levels of CO2.

    And the reason why is that they developed over millions of years with greater CO2 levels than we have now.

    Which is another way of saying that CO2 may be less than ideal rather than more as liberals seem to think.
    CO2 has been increasing for 150 years. Where is the positive response in plants been hiding for the last 150 years?
    1. The Scientific debate remains open. Voters believe that there is no consensus about global warming within the scientific community. Should the public come to believe that the scientific issues are settled, their views about global warming will change accordingly. Therefore, you need to continue to make the lack of scientific certainty a primary issue in the debate, and defer to scientists and other experts in the field.--Luntz Research

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    Quote Originally Posted by MannieD View Post
    CO2 has been increasing for 150 years. Where is the positive response in plants been hiding for the last 150 years?
    It (CO2) hasn't changed much in the past 150 years so we still have a long way to go before it reaches critical levels.

    But it is documented that plants grow bigger with more CO2.
    Last edited by Mac-7; Feb 16 2012 at 06:41 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mac-7 View Post
    It (CO2) hasn't changed much in the past 150 years so we still have a long way to go before it reaches critical levels.

    But it is documented that plants grow bigger with more CO2.
    A 40% increase is not a significant change? What would your weight be if it increased 40%?
    According to you, what are the critical levels?
    1. The Scientific debate remains open. Voters believe that there is no consensus about global warming within the scientific community. Should the public come to believe that the scientific issues are settled, their views about global warming will change accordingly. Therefore, you need to continue to make the lack of scientific certainty a primary issue in the debate, and defer to scientists and other experts in the field.--Luntz Research

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    Quote Originally Posted by MannieD View Post
    A 40% increase is not a significant change? What would your weight be if it increased 40%?
    According to you, what are the critical levels?
    If you begin from a very low base then 40% sounds big but really isn't.

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    Nor does everyone agree that CO2 has gone up as much as claimed.

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...1230184221.htm

    To assess whether the airborne fraction is indeed increasing, Wolfgang Knorr of the Department of Earth Sciences at the University of Bristol reanalyzed available atmospheric carbon dioxide and emissions data since 1850 and considers the uncertainties in the data.

    In contradiction to some recent studies, he finds that the airborne fraction of carbon dioxide has not increased either during the past 150 years or during the most recent five decades.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mac-7 View Post
    If you begin from a very low base then 40% sounds big but really isn't.
    Where you begin is irrelevant when you use percentage. Basic math.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mac-7 View Post
    Nor does everyone agree that CO2 has gone up as much as claimed.

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...1230184221.htm
    You are confusing air borne fraction and total amount of CO2 in the atmosphere; they are not the same!
    1. The Scientific debate remains open. Voters believe that there is no consensus about global warming within the scientific community. Should the public come to believe that the scientific issues are settled, their views about global warming will change accordingly. Therefore, you need to continue to make the lack of scientific certainty a primary issue in the debate, and defer to scientists and other experts in the field.--Luntz Research

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    Quote Originally Posted by MannieD View Post
    Where you begin is irrelevant when you use percentage. Basic math.
    Where you begin does matter.

    If you make a dollar an hour and I give you a 40% raise that is still not very much money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mac-7 View Post
    I don't have a thesis.

    It is your side that wants to turn the world upside-down based on your crazy ideas so if anyone needs to sell a thesis it is you not me.
    How is it turning the world upside down to take a market based approach to controlling emissions that's been used successfully for 20 years on acid rain emissions and applying it to CO2?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mac-7 View Post
    That's a lot of nonsense.

    There was not a single scientific body that agreed with Galileo at the time when he said that the earth orbited around the sun.

    But science is not a show of hands.

    There is a right and a wrong answer to every question even if the idiot climate scientists cannot tell us what the answer it is.
    If you're sick you go to a doctor. If your car breaks down, you go to a mechanic. If you're in legal trouble you go to a lawyer. If your finances are a mess, you go to an accountant. And if the climate is doing weird things, then you go to a climatologist.

    Climate scientists are the people who have spent years of hard work and sleepless nights to earn the privilege of putting PhD after their names. They're the ones who have spent their professional lives trying to understand a really complex and difficult subject. They're the experts. And ignoring the experts just because you don't like what they're saying is foolish. Especially since the only reason you don't like what they're saying is because you've been lied to for years by self interested people who don't give a crap about you or your principles, who have played on your fears by trumping up an imaginary boogeyman.

    I don't know about you, but if someone tried to pull that on me, I'd be mad. Really mad.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mac-7 View Post
    Of course you side tries to scare the public with dire predictions of famine, plague, civil unrest and who knows what else if we don't do as the climate freaks demand.

    You may be a victim of those scare tactics yourself.
    Of course your side tries to scare the public with dire predictions of high gas prices, economic collapse, oppressive government and who knows what else if we don't do as Fox News demands.

    You may be a victim of those scare tactics yourself.
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