Originally Posted by Kranes56
An illegal is not a robot. A robot is a machine. Please answer the question in human terms thank you.
Stated simply, there are 2 men and 1 job, if an illegal takes that job in what manner is another created?
Last edited by Professor Peabody; Feb 21 2012 at 07:46 AM.
"One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back." - Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark
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Funny how you're article doesn't include any factual data. Just demagoguery.
Back at ya.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2010/...h-care-waivers
The waivers only apply to one provision of the law – the provisions phasing out annual limits. Insurance companies and employers that receive waivers must comply with all other parts of the Affordable Care Act.
The waivers last one year. Insurance companies must reapply for the waivers each year between now and 2014 when annual limits on coverage will be completely prohibited and individuals will have more affordable and better private insurance choices in the competitive Exchange markets.
All employers and insurers that offer mini-med plans may apply for a waiver if they demonstrate that there will be large increases in premiums or a significant decrease in access to coverage without a waiver. You can read a list of employers and insurers that have received waivers here.
"Let's be blunt and acknowledge the biggest threat to the world's biggest economy are the cranks and crazies that have taken over a part of the Republican party," Australian treasurer, Wayne Swan
Isn't the concept the same? Introducing a second worker, and a new job appears.
"Those who cannot remember the past, are condemned to repeat it."- American Philosopher George Santayana
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Whhaat??? O'Bama pandering for votes? Say it ain't so!
So there is a job created if an illegals battery fails or the computer in his/her head needs to be rebooted? That's quite a concept ya got there. How and why would a new job "appear" after hiring an illegal?
A company doesn't hire illegals to spend as much money as hiring a legal workers. Chances are they have few if any benefits like health insurance. The health care and insurance industries would NOT need to hire more workers where they may have if the employer hired a legal worker with health insurance. Is that what you mean?
Last edited by Professor Peabody; Feb 21 2012 at 08:36 AM.
"One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back." - Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark
I don't think Illegals will need to have thier battery replaced. Let's say a farmer gets fired, and an illegal gets hired. The illegal needs farming tools, for this argument, let's say a tractor. Someone has to build tha tractor, thereby a new job is created.
No. I'm not arguing the motives, just what happens when an illegal is hired.A company doesn't hire illegals to spend as much money as hiring a legal workers. Chances are they have few if any benefits like health insurance. The health care and insurance industries would NOT need to hire more workers where they may have if the employer hired a legal worker with health insurance. Is that what you mean?
"Those who cannot remember the past, are condemned to repeat it."- American Philosopher George Santayana
That would work the same for legal citizens hired as well, so that argument is no help in hiring illegals vs legals. In fact it's worse for the same reason outlined in post #45.
"One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back." - Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark
The concept of adding a second worker to one job, it goes the same no matter what. And my argument was based upon the actions not the motive.
"Those who cannot remember the past, are condemned to repeat it."- American Philosopher George Santayana
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The Balkanization is almost complete ...
I surely hope every unemployed person votes against Obama in November. Approx 4.2 million of 'em could have jobs right now if the Obama administration would simply crack down on the employers.
Take away their ability to get and keep legitimate jobs with phony or stolen social security numbers. The SSA and IRS are all too well aware of multiple people using a single social security number. With modern computer databases, it wouldn't be hard to pluck out all the duplicate or non issued users excepting the original issuee. Then send notices to their employers the duplicate users payments are coming from that there appears to be an error and they must verify the social security number of their employee(s) within 30 days or face massive fines and jail time. E-Verify must become manditory, no exceptions and used to verify citizenship for any government benefits as well. Take away their ability to get legitimate jobs with forged paperwork and they will go home on their own.
This is a simple cost effective way to open up several million existing jobs to citizens out of work. It will also save Billions in Government benefits going to those who circumvented the legal immigration process. If Obama and the Democrats won't do this NOW, then they need to be replaced this November.
"One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back." - Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark
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