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    Quote Originally Posted by Kranes56 View Post
    I'm going to change it up. Let's say a robot takes over the ordering at a fast food resturant. The guy loses his job. A new job is created though. Someone has to repair the robot if it breaks. That's the basic idea behind it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Professor Peabody View Post
    If an illegal takes a job in what manner is another created?
    An illegal is not a robot. A robot is a machine. Please answer the question in human terms thank you.

    Stated simply, there are 2 men and 1 job, if an illegal takes that job in what manner is another created?
    Last edited by Professor Peabody; Feb 21 2012 at 07:46 AM.
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    Funny how you're article doesn't include any factual data. Just demagoguery.

    Back at ya.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Professor Peabody View Post
    An illegal is not a robot. A robot is a machine. Please answer the question in human terms thank you.

    Stated simply, there are 2 men and 1 job, if an illegal takes that job in what manner is another created?
    Isn't the concept the same? Introducing a second worker, and a new job appears.
    "Those who cannot remember the past, are condemned to repeat it."- American Philosopher George Santayana

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    Quote Originally Posted by Professor Peabody View Post
    The panderer in chief is at it again. Stripping jobs from American citizens to give to illegals he wants to make legal for the votes.

    If you are currently out of work, underemployed of lost your home in a foreclosure due to being underemployed, please don't vote for Obama or any Democrats up in 2012. They will quickly throw you under the bus to make more latino voters out of the illegals occupying almost 5 million jobs in the United States. Please don't fall for the "jobs Americans won't do" bull picking vegetables. There are a approx total of 800,000 farm workers nationwide, what exactly are the other 4.2 million doing that you won't do? Obama and the amnesty Democrats need to be kicked to the curb in 9 months.
    Whhaat??? O'Bama pandering for votes? Say it ain't so!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kranes56 View Post
    Isn't the concept the same? Introducing a second worker, and a new job appears.
    So there is a job created if an illegals battery fails or the computer in his/her head needs to be rebooted? That's quite a concept ya got there. How and why would a new job "appear" after hiring an illegal?

    A company doesn't hire illegals to spend as much money as hiring a legal workers. Chances are they have few if any benefits like health insurance. The health care and insurance industries would NOT need to hire more workers where they may have if the employer hired a legal worker with health insurance. Is that what you mean?
    Last edited by Professor Peabody; Feb 21 2012 at 08:36 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Professor Peabody View Post
    Really? So there is a job created if an illegals battery fails or the computer in his/her head needs to be rebooted? That's quite a concept ya got there. How and why would a new job "appear" after hiring an illegal?
    I don't think Illegals will need to have thier battery replaced. Let's say a farmer gets fired, and an illegal gets hired. The illegal needs farming tools, for this argument, let's say a tractor. Someone has to build tha tractor, thereby a new job is created.

    A company doesn't hire illegals to spend as much money as hiring a legal workers. Chances are they have few if any benefits like health insurance. The health care and insurance industries would NOT need to hire more workers where they may have if the employer hired a legal worker with health insurance. Is that what you mean?
    No. I'm not arguing the motives, just what happens when an illegal is hired.
    "Those who cannot remember the past, are condemned to repeat it."- American Philosopher George Santayana

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kranes56 View Post
    I don't think Illegals will need to have thier battery replaced. Let's say a farmer gets fired, and an illegal gets hired. The illegal needs farming tools, for this argument, let's say a tractor. Someone has to build tha tractor, thereby a new job is created.

    No. I'm not arguing the motives, just what happens when an illegal is hired.
    That would work the same for legal citizens hired as well, so that argument is no help in hiring illegals vs legals. In fact it's worse for the same reason outlined in post #45.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Professor Peabody View Post
    That would work the same for legal citizens hired as well, so that argument is no help in hiring illegals vs legals. In fact it's worse for the same reason outlined in post #45.
    The concept of adding a second worker to one job, it goes the same no matter what. And my argument was based upon the actions not the motive.
    "Those who cannot remember the past, are condemned to repeat it."- American Philosopher George Santayana

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    The Balkanization is almost complete ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Never Left View Post
    Whhaat??? O'Bama pandering for votes? Say it ain't so!
    I surely hope every unemployed person votes against Obama in November. Approx 4.2 million of 'em could have jobs right now if the Obama administration would simply crack down on the employers.

    Take away their ability to get and keep legitimate jobs with phony or stolen social security numbers. The SSA and IRS are all too well aware of multiple people using a single social security number. With modern computer databases, it wouldn't be hard to pluck out all the duplicate or non issued users excepting the original issuee. Then send notices to their employers the duplicate users payments are coming from that there appears to be an error and they must verify the social security number of their employee(s) within 30 days or face massive fines and jail time. E-Verify must become manditory, no exceptions and used to verify citizenship for any government benefits as well. Take away their ability to get legitimate jobs with forged paperwork and they will go home on their own.

    This is a simple cost effective way to open up several million existing jobs to citizens out of work. It will also save Billions in Government benefits going to those who circumvented the legal immigration process. If Obama and the Democrats won't do this NOW, then they need to be replaced this November.
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