Thread: Virginia Ultrasound Bill Passes In House

Originally Posted by AnnaK

I live in Virginia. I know what's going on here.

Then you know the bill up for a vote does not require trans-vaginal.

I honestly don't know what they thought they were doing. Every RWer who tried to pay back the religious nutters who put them in office by declaring open war on women's rights won't have to worry about it after the next election - they'll all be gone.

This bill does not deny any "right" to a woman. Sonograms are already done as a matter of course.

Why do you want women to not be fully informed when they are going to kill their baby?

Originally Posted by Jebediah

Err...



Your logic or lack of logic surrounding invasive procedures makes no sense. Face it. Making a law mandating that doctors stick a probe up women's vaginas for no reason is stupid. Don't defend it.

PP requires a sonogram now and according to your side the only way to do that in the early stages is trans-vaginal.

So is PP forcing women to under go an invasive procedure and denying them their rights?

Compared to national debt and federal spending this "issue" is a tempest in a teapot.

Originally Posted by Bluesguy

Then you know the bill up for a vote does not require trans-vaginal.

I know that it DID require transvaginal in its original form and I know why it no longer does. Our dear governor took a look out the window at the women standing in the snow and looked at the polls showing 67% of Virginians AGAINST the bill and decided he'd be hurting his VP aspirations if he didn't do something quick and told the Legislature to change it. I guess his desire to be VP greatly outweighs his desire to outlaw abortion?

This bill does not deny any "right" to a woman. Sonograms are already done as a matter of course.

Why do you want women to not be fully informed when they are going to kill their baby?

Then explain to me why this bill is necessary. If it's already being done, why is it necessary to make a law to FORCE it to be done at the woman's expense?

What's wrong with you people? Do you really think it's humane to tell a 12-year-old pregnant rape victim that she's going to go to Hell if she aborts her rapist's baby? Or a woman who's decided to have an abortion because ultrasounds have already shown that her WANTED baby is grossly deformed and will require a lifetime of hospitalization and millions of dollars in healthcare and may not survive anyway? And you want her to be forced to LOOK at it one more time to sear the horrible experience into her soul? Why would any normal person do that to someone?

I hope you all will spare me any more of this "respect for human life" crap. If you had respect for human life, you'd have respect for the humans ALREADY LIVING and would leave them to make their own decisions rather than trying to inflict as much unnecessary pain on them as possible.

Originally Posted by AnnaK

I know that it DID require transvaginal in its original form and I know why it no longer does. Our dear governor took a look out the window at the women standing in the snow and looked at the polls showing 67% of Virginians AGAINST the bill and decided he'd be hurting his VP aspirations if he didn't do something quick and told the Legislature to change it. I guess his desire to be VP greatly outweighs his desire to outlaw abortion?





Then explain to me why this bill is necessary. If it's already being done, why is it necessary to make a law to FORCE it to be done at the woman's expense?

What's wrong with you people? Do you really think it's humane to tell a 12-year-old pregnant rape victim that she's going to go to Hell if she aborts her rapist's baby? Or a woman who's decided to have an abortion because ultrasounds have already shown that her WANTED baby is grossly deformed and will require a lifetime of hospitalization and millions of dollars in healthcare and may not survive anyway? And you want her to be forced to LOOK at it one more time to sear the horrible experience into her soul? Why would any normal person do that to someone?

I hope you all will spare me any more of this "respect for human life" crap. If you had respect for human life, you'd have respect for the humans ALREADY LIVING and would leave them to make their own decisions rather than trying to inflict as much unnecessary pain on them as possible.

Your post is so full of bull (*)(*)(*)(*)...How many 12 year olds are pregnant rape victims? You know (*)(*)(*)(*) well it is WOMEN who just want an abortion!!!

You just want abortion on demand, no tests, no questions asked....walk in and have a 20 minute abortion and on your way.

Originally Posted by Rapunzel

Your post is so full of bull (*)(*)(*)(*)...How many 12 year olds are pregnant rape victims?

One? Two? Three? Does it matter how many if you're going to do it to even ONE? Are RWers so lost to all sense of humanity that they'd do it to even ONE and feel righteous about their great dedication to human life? Since when do living human beings not qualify as human life?

You know (*)(*)(*)(*) well it is WOMEN who just want an abortion!!!

Of course it's women - all the men on those panels trying to control women's lives can't get pregnant. It's women who've decided to get an abortion for a whole host of reasons pertinent to THEIR lives - not yours or any pro-lifer's. Her reasons are her own and not subject to approval by religious nutters.

You just want abortion on demand, no tests, no questions asked....walk in and have a 20 minute abortion and on your way.

Which shows clearly you know absolutely NOTHING about the physical or emotional trauma associated with abortion or the reasons women decide to get one. But if I DID want what you suggest, what business would it be of yours? Who gave you the right to dictate or disapprove of my personal life decisions?

Originally Posted by Bluesguy

PP requires a sonogram now and according to your side the only way to do that in the early stages is trans-vaginal.

So is PP forcing women to under go an invasive procedure and denying them their rights?

PP is a single, not for profit clinic, which the patient has chosen to visit - or - the patient can leave if she finds something not to her liking. Its also an entity with the latitude to change its policy for all or for an individual, based on the Doctors recommendations.

That's quite a bit different than a government mandated medical procedure that all medical facilities and patients must follow. Doctors are forced to perform the procedure even if they disagree with it, under penalty of law.

So yes, with PP their rights are intact. They can choose another provider.
With the law, their rights are forfeit.

I think this controversy illustrates why "small government conservative" is an oxymoron.

Originally Posted by AnnaK

One? Two? Three? Does it matter how many if you're going to do it to even ONE? Are RWers so lost to all sense of humanity that they'd do it to even ONE and feel righteous about their great dedication to human life? Since when do living human beings not qualify as human life?




Of course it's women - all the men on those panels trying to control women's lives can't get pregnant. It's women who've decided to get an abortion for a whole host of reasons pertinent to THEIR lives - not yours or any pro-lifer's. Her reasons are her own and not subject to approval by religious nutters.





Which shows clearly you know absolutely NOTHING about the physical or emotional trauma associated with abortion or the reasons women decide to get one. But if I DID want what you suggest, what business would it be of yours? Who gave you the right to dictate or disapprove of my personal life decisions?

I have the right to approve or disapprove of anything I want.

Personally I don't care as I've stated before whether they have an ultrasound or not, but you cannot have it both ways. You can't only want government intrusion in your life when you approve of it. That is the slippery slope that all this government intervention in our lives has produced.

Telling us what we can do, can't do. What kind of light bulbs we have to to use, what kind of toilets, what our kids can eat, regulations of salt, sugar, soda, tobacco, fast food, healthcare and the list goes on and on.

Under the cause of trying to save us from ourselves, because we cannot be allowed to do what we think is best in our lives. We have to have big brother think for us...he knows what's best for us. He'll take care of us, make all our decisions. This is what Statism gets you.

It's not what you want. It must be mandated. There is no individual liberty of your own choosing. It's for the good of the collective.

Originally Posted by Rapunzel

Your post is so full of bull (*)(*)(*)(*)...How many 12 year olds are pregnant rape victims? You know (*)(*)(*)(*) well it is WOMEN who just want an abortion!!!

You just want abortion on demand, no tests, no questions asked....walk in and have a 20 minute abortion and on your way.

What difference does it make if it's 20 minutes or 24 hours? Either it's murder or it's not. Since it's not murder, there's nothing wrong with fast abortion. I am yet to see a half-convincing argument that an embryo is equivalent to an actual person with a working mind, and all of this boils down to that core issue anyway. All that these sabotage attempts by conservatives is doing is getting between doctors and patients, and alienating people from your cause, particularly women and their doctors.