This doctor said…he witnessed several coat hangers….so out of millions and millions of pregnancies….a small small…..tiny number of women did the coat hanger thing.Originally Posted by AnnaK
So we should make abortion legal…because of a few isolated cases?
I know often the reasons include the ability to look after the other children in the family. I know of more than one woman who has had an abortion because she has at least one disabled child
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No but statistics from across the world where abortion is illegal show one overwhelming fact - illegality causes maternal mortality
http://scholar.google.com.au/scholar...ed=0CBkQgQMwAA
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...20729298001945Worldwide some 20 million unsafe abortions take place each year and account for approximately 13% of all maternal mortality and serious complications associated with it, such as sepsis, hemorrhage and trauma. Only a quarter of all women in the world do not have any access to legal abortion, whereas 40% have a legal right to decide for themselves. This liberalization of abortion legislation has seen a tremendous drop in abortion-related maternal mortality. Death from unsafe abortions are almost unknown in countries where abortion is available on request. Reduction of the need for induced abortion through the provision of good family planning services should be an integral part of healthcare. Consistent use of contraception greatly reduces the need for abortion, but it cannot completely eliminate this need. Thus, it is essential that safe medical abortion services should be made available to all women in the world in cases of contraceptive failure.
The evidence is unequivocal
Now can you answer the question - "What would drive a woman to have an abortion in the face of outcomes like these?"
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When I was pregnant, I was married and we were financially stable. We had 4 altogether because we WANTED them and between them, they've had 10 more. I know women who weren't that lucky. One was 6 months from graduating from college and taking a teaching job. She had worked and paid her tuition and board all by herself because her parents refused to help. She had loans to pay back and her family would have completely disowned her if they knew she was pregnant. Her whole future was at stake. Another found that the fetus had gross physical abnormalities when they did an ultrasound. They were a young couple just starting out and had no way to pay the enormous hospital bills that would have been their responsibility and the baby couldn't have survived long anyway. Another had been taking chemo treatments for cancer and birth control failed. Until you've been personally faced with these same agonizing decisions, you should keep your nose out of women's business.
You mentioned earlier your "pro-life meetings" - are you one of those who stands outside clinics and harasses women going inside - as if they don't have enough problems without your interference? Do you celebrate when clinics are bombed and doctors are shot in their church and through their kitchen windows?
What is so hard for you to grasp? Whether our laws reflect that life starts at conception or not…it is a scientific fact. LIFE STARTS AT CONCEPTION. Any one who denies this does is simply not educated. What is legislated is WHEN A WOMAN CAN KILL. We all know that…that which is being killed is alive…or no abortion would be necessary. I mean come on. You simply need to step out of your small box and get educated on this.
I will need some scientific proof for this statement. A fertilized egg is NOT life. Many eggs are fertilized and pass out of the woman's body with her menstrual flow. Until a fertilized egg is implanted in the uterine wall, it cannot become a fetus. Some eggs aren't fertilized until 2/3 days following intercourse which is the rationale for the morning after pill - to PREVENT a pregnancy occurring - what YOU would call "an abortion". Don't tell me to get educated until you've done so yourself and getting your information from pro-life fanatics isn't being educated - it's being radicalized.
What you are doing here is playing God and you have no right to assume that any life born will suffer or that person would not have a good life. You ARE TAKING THEIR FREEDOM AWAY…..YOU LIVE IN A "WHAT IF" WORLD. For you it would be better off dead…because you obviously would want a perfect child…no abnormalities…nothing wrong with it…a hair lip would be enough for you to justify its death. You stand with your magic marker and draw an x on every unborn in the womb….x means kill. You have no right to take any life because YOU THINK…YOU THINK….YOU THINK…..
I'm no more "playing God" than the pro-lifers are. I'm perfectly happy for them to make decisions for themselves and their minor children. If they want their children to have children to keep them from going to Hell, they can have at it. But they WILL NOT make that decision for me or mine. Just listen to yourself and your "magic marker" paranoia. You have all this "love and compassion" for the UNBORN and absolute hatred for the pregnant women.
Have you ever gone up to a 14-year-old pregnant girl and offered to adopt and raise the baby if she'll have it instead of getting an abortion? If not - WHY not? Is there some reason you wouldn't want to take on the responsibility of raising a child right now?
Dear me! How could there possibly be an emergency need for an abortion? In light of the pro-lifer's stand, that sounds very suspicious to me. Do you all gather outside the hospital and protest those incidents, too?No hospital I know does routine on demand abortions only emergencies.
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There is no consensus on when life begins. If life began at conception, where are the funerals for miscarried fetuses?
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We have a family here who have 2 small children and wanted another child. About midway through the pregnancy, an ultrasound showed severe abnormalities - organs outside the body, possibility of brain damage - and were faced with deciding whether or not to have an abortion to terminate the pregnancy. They're facing providing 24/7 care for the child if it survives, spending most of their lives in the hospital through interminable surgeries to correct the defects while leaving the 2 they already have for somebody else to take care of, enormous hospital bills which would beggar them and make them unable to take care of themselves and their children and will affect the kind of life they can give the ones they already have - sending them to college, etc. And not the least consideration is putting the baby itself through the pain and suffering of the operations and dealing with the things they CAN'T correct. I don't know what they've decided to do but I know they were going through Hell trying to make the decision. How ANYBODY could call them "babykillers" if they decide to have the abortion is absolutely beyond my comprehension.
IMPO, people who have no compassion or empathy for the living can't possibly be that concerned about an unborn baby - especially when once they get it born, they don't care squat about what happens to it.
There is not even a consensus about conception
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beginni...cy_controversy
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But the lifers are experts on this, remember. If they say a fertilised egg is a baby, its a baby!!!
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You have no argument about that from me. Unless you have worked in health care you really do not understand the term "sport" or the term "Mother nature can be a real (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)"
This is actually a pro-life site and does not advocate killing anencephalic babies but it does show what they are like
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hQHLJTGdTU"]Anencephaly - YouTube[/ame]
And it does it with compassion and more than a little sadness
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And that makes it a "scientific fact".
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