Virginia Ultrasound Bill Passes In House

**churchmouse** · Feb 27 2012, 12:20 PM

Originally Posted by AnnaK

OF COURSE it's why abortion happens. It's why abortion needs to be safe and legal. Because those worst scenarios DO HAPPEN - contrary to the meme that "most are for CONVENIENCE". Well, what is "convenience"?

When a child is raped and gets pregnant, do you consider it nothing more than "convenience" to not force her to carry her rapist's baby? Is it merely "convenience" to not have to give up the last few months of your education and graduate and be ready to go to work and support yourself? Is it simply "convenience" to abort a baby when you're the sole support of 2 or 3 others and you're a single mother and there's no way you can take care of and support another one?

Pro-lifers say "convenience" like it's such a cavalier decision and refuse to admit that there are REAL and VALID reasons to terminate a pregnancy. Is it mere "convenience" to make decisions that will affect the rest of your life and your family's life and instead of doing something that will totally wreck it for everybody, do what's BEST for everybody?

Do you also agree that all drugs should be legalized…and that we should provide our children with needles and everything they need to do it in a safe environment. They will do drugs….so we might as well help them do it safe.

Do you agree?

Also we know they are going to have sex. So instead of the backseat of a car…lets provide hotels were they can go. Also the age that kids can have sex and be legal should go down. Maybe ten…? There should be no such thing as statutory rape….our kids today are street smart and well if they can get abortions behind our backs….they should be able to do just about everything else. Include prostitution in that as well…….

You know when you defend abortion you always bring up the rare cases. Less than 1% of abortions are done because of rape…or maternal health. Most abortions are done for other reasons….money, age….school, does not know the father…does not want to get fat…..etc.

It is sad you want it legal for that 1% while the other 99% die needlessly.

**Terrant** · Feb 27 2012, 12:33 PM

Originally Posted by Rapunzel

Get used to it. It's Ubamacare and government intervention into private lives gone wild.

Convince the leftist losers who think they can have government intervention into every aspect of our lives but be able to pick and choose when they don't like something.

Originally Posted by Bluesguy

The government does it all the time with laws and regulations doctors and hospitals must follow.

So you're saying it is acceptable to intrude upon another's liberty as long as the other side is doing it? I don't accept that argument. You cannot have it both ways.

When it comes to abortions as a means of birth control, I don't think that this is a half bad idea. Unfortunately, mandates such as this are government interference in one's health care. One of the few things I agree with conservatives on is that the government has no business in that area.

Originally Posted by churchmouse

Our countries is made of us thousands of laws…prohibiting all sorts of behaviors. Abortion used to be illegal. And because of doctors who lied on the stand in front to SCOTUS…because of the lie told by Norma…abortion all of a sudden was legal. Our government tells us what we can and can't do with our bodies…..so don't even go there. Abortion KILLS….why not try using that word for once.

Most of those laws that prohibit behavior are government intrusion in our lives for behaviors that do not affect others. I'm not allowed to buy booze on Sunday. I'm not allowed to do drugs. Why do nanny state conservatives want to dictate what I can do to myself?

Legitimate uses of the abortion procedure were not allowed by all states. RvW basically made it such that the government cannot interfere in the decisions made by the doctor and patient. In this case, the court held that the government cannot tell a woman what she can or cannot do with her body.

**Bluesguy** · Feb 27 2012, 12:45 PM

Originally Posted by Terrant

RvW basically made it such that the government cannot interfere in the decisions made by the doctor and patient.

It does so all the time with the laws and regulations that govern medical care, only abortion claims such a status.

In this case, the court held that the government cannot tell a woman what she can or cannot do with her body.

So women can sell an eye or a kidney or a hand?

**Rapunzel** · Feb 27 2012, 12:54 PM

Originally Posted by Terrant

So you're saying it is acceptable to intrude upon another's liberty as long as the other side is doing it? I don't accept that argument. You cannot have it both ways.

When it comes to abortions as a means of birth control, I don't think that this is a half bad idea. Unfortunately, mandates such as this are government interference in one's health care. One of the few things I agree with conservatives on is that the government has no business in that area.

Most of those laws that prohibit behavior are government intrusion in our lives for behaviors that do not affect others. I'm not allowed to buy booze on Sunday. I'm not allowed to do drugs. Why do nanny state conservatives want to dictate what I can do to myself?

Legitimate uses of the abortion procedure were not allowed by all states. RvW basically made it such that the government cannot interfere in the decisions made by the doctor and patient. In this case, the court held that the government cannot tell a woman what she can or cannot do with her body.

Uhm, No....we're saying we hate it, but lefty loves it until it's something they don't want...it's the hypocrisy man.

**Rapunzel** · Feb 27 2012, 12:56 PM

Originally Posted by Agent_286

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No woman needs to listen to your crap any longer. You have no right to impose your own beliefs over another in a public form. You try the bully line again with no interest in being polite, or interested in anyone elses ideas, then this is no longer a debate but a bully pulpit for self-obsessed anti-abortionist violent, rude rhetoric.

So be polite, or move along to another thread ...or better still offer a thread of your own. This thread is about the mandatory ultra-sound bill just passed in Virginia. Can you focus?

But it's quite all right for the left to try and impose their beliefs on us...Oh the hypocrisy once again!!!

**Rapunzel** · Feb 27 2012, 12:58 PM

Originally Posted by Agent_286

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No woman needs to listen to your crap any longer. You have no right to impose your own beliefs over another in a public form. You try the bully line again with no interest in being polite, or interested in anyone elses ideas, then this is no longer a debate but a bully pulpit for self-obsessed anti-abortionist violent, rude rhetoric.

So be polite, or move along to another thread ...or better still offer a thread of your own. This thread is about the mandatory ultra-sound bill just passed in Virginia. Can you focus?

Go back and read. It was one of your lefty buddies who brought up that this is all about changing women's minds. Making them submit to an ultrasound, making them look at the ultrasound, making them listen to a speech about what they may not know and all that crap.

**Bluesguy** · Feb 27 2012, 01:00 PM

Originally Posted by Rapunzel

Go back and read. It was one of your lefty buddies who brought up that this is all about changing women's minds. Making them submit to an ultrasound, making them look at the ultrasound, making them listen to a speech about what they may not know and all that crap.

Amazing how frightened they are a woman just might change her mind.

**Rapunzel** · Feb 27 2012, 01:28 PM

Originally Posted by Bluesguy

Amazing how frightened they are a woman just might change her mind.

I know, I thought the left was all up on furthering education...who knew?

**AnnaK** · Feb 27 2012, 04:12 PM

Originally Posted by Rapunzel

No, that's why you didn't have one. Why are you AGAINST it?

I was against it for myself because I wanted my children and there was no reason not to have them.

I made my decision to have my children all by myself and with no government or pro-lifer interference. I don't judge others for the decisions they make. Like me, they know themselves, their families, their financial situation, their life circumstances and are completely capable of making a decision according to their OWN BELIEFS.