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Bush says Iran still a threat despite recent intelligence report regarding Iran's (lack of) nuclear weapon programs
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Old 12-04-2007, 08:29 AM
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Bush is correct.

Its kinda funny how you people pick and choose which intelligence you want to believe. We shouldnt have believed the intelligence about Iraq's WMDs, but we SHOULD believe this intelligence?
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Its kinda funny how you people pick and choose which intelligence you want to believe. We shouldnt have believed the intelligence about Iraq's WMDs, but we SHOULD believe this intelligence?
Regardless, the report says that Iran could have a nuclear weapon in just over 2 years. The media's "glass is half full" reporting makes the situation sound better than it is:

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Iran...is unlikely to be able to produce enough enriched uranium for a bomb until at least 2010
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Iran could potentially produce enough enriched uranium for a bomb as soon as 2010
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Bush is correct.

Its kinda funny how you people pick and choose which intelligence you want to believe. We shouldnt have believed the intelligence about Iraq's WMDs, but we SHOULD believe this intelligence?
I guess the big difference is that our side has been right about everything and your side has been wrong.

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So I when it comes to picking and choosing intelligence, maybe you could give the side that has been CORRECT on everything the benefit of the doubt.


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IAEA says US report on Iran 'consistent' with its own findings...
With 2 agencies agreeing, it's not a matter of "why should we believe the NIE now".
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I guess the big difference is that our side has been right about everything and your side has been wrong.
Even assuming that were true (and I do not), that still would not mean that it would be correct to give Iran the benefit of the doubt.


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So I when it comes to picking and choosing intelligence, maybe you could give the side that has been CORRECT on everything the benefit of the doubt.
I dont see how you can use intelligence as evidence if you only accept it when it supports the conclusion you want.
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Bush is correct.

Its kinda funny how you people pick and choose which intelligence you want to believe. We shouldnt have believed the intelligence about Iraq's WMDs, but we SHOULD believe this intelligence?
Who's picking and choosing, here? It seems to me that you're the one who will believe whatever lets Bush do whatever he wants to do.

But! You do have a point. How do you know which intelligence is accurate? What method do you use? Me, I try to read a lot of books on the subject and then see what makes sense in a larger context. Of course, all the books tend to disagree a bit, so it's still a lot of guesswork.

It seems to me that Iran isn't a threat. It would, however, be a tough nut to crack -- considerably tougher than Iraq. Not a fight I'd like to get into if I don't have to -- and it doesn't seem like we have to, does it?

Or do we?
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I see nobody is willing to take the position that Iran is not a threat.
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I see nobody is willing to take the position that Iran is not a threat.
Iran is currently a threat to no one.
Let me turn this around. With the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq, with the Neocon mantra of "non democracies have no right to exist, with Bush labeling Iran as one of the axis of evil, with the close ties that US has to Israel, is the US a threat to Iran?
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