It is perfectly OK to write laws based on our religious beliefs.Originally Posted by Shiva_TD
That's where the laws against murder come from.
But in the case of homosexuals it is not simply a religious issue.
Because gay marriage has never been the norm is practically any society in history - Christian or not.
In fact the most anti-Christiam of the 20th Century was the Soviet Union where gay marriage was not legal either.
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What an ignorant uninformed crap post. No its not OK to write laws based on religious views. You are un-American if you believe that.
Of course laws are influenced by religion.
And by some people's lack of religion.
How can you separate anyone from their personal beliefs?
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Ah yes 'the norm' argument.
Ready for this? take a deep breath!
So was misogyny and denying women numerous rights.
Next argument please.
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Though of course atheists have an even worse record.
Strangely this went unnoticed by Constitutional scholars for centuries. lolRick Santorum, in advocating gender based discrimination in marriage based upon his religious beliefs and his religious intolerance of homosexual behavior, seeks to violate the equal protection clause of the 14th Amendment and equal protection under the law is an inalienable Right for all People.
Polygamists could just as easily claim discrimination. Are laws against polygamy also unconstitutional?
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And so were the laws against men having sex with animals.
Do you want to do away with them too?
The fact is that homosexual men have the same right to marry that straight me do since both are free to marry any woman that will have them.
That's as equal under the law as it can be.
Last edited by Mac-7; Feb 28 2012 at 06:25 AM.
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This is false. Murder is the wrongful violation of the inalienable Right to Life of a person and that is where laws prohibiting murder comes from. The fact that "religion" might also condemn murder, except when it's been done for religious reasons historically, is purely coincidental.
Actually many societies, including Native-American societies, accepted homosexuality as normal behavior. These were termed the "Two-Spirit People" and were highly regarded in Native-American culture.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-Spirit
There are also "laws" that recognized homosexual behavior going back to Roman times.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosex...n_ancient_Rome
Chinese culture also accepted homosexuality often referred to as "the passion of the cut sleeve" or "the bitten peach" but also maintianed a belief in establishing heredity and family lineage.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_China
Cultural anthropoligists have cited numerous societies where homosexuality was not only tolerated as a norm within society but also highly embraced within the society.
BTW the USSR did not have the US Constitution and the Bill of Rigths and was a tyrannical nation in numerous regards. The question here is why would Rick Santorum or any religious zealot oppose the equal protection clause of the 14th Amendment?
The tyranny that religion could impose has rightfully been opposed by Americans since the founding of the United States. We should no more allow religious tyranny today than when Thomas Jefferson sought office in 1800."The clergy...believe that any portion of power confided to me [as President] will be exerted in opposition to their schemes. And they believe rightly: for I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man. But this is all they have to fear from me: and enough, too, in their opinion." --Thomas Jefferson to Benjamin Rush, 1800.
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Where do you think the idea of right to life came from if not religion?This is false. Murder is the wrongful violation of the inalienable Right to Life of a person and that is where laws prohibiting murder comes from. The fact that "religion" might also condemn murder, except when it's been done for religious reasons historically, is purely coincidental.
As for the Soviet Union it did not reject homosexual marriage on religious grounds because the Soviets rejected religion.
It simply did not allow such an unnatural practice as gay marriage.
Also there were many native tribes who may have harbored a number of weird ideas including cannibalism .
So I would not use them as an irrefutable guide for humanity.
Last edited by Mac-7; Feb 28 2012 at 06:53 AM.
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If an individual cannot separate their religious beliefs from their political beliefs then they cannot logically and in good faith swear the following oath of office to be president:
If Rich Santorum cannot preserve, protect and defend the equal protection clause of the 14th Amendment when it comes to same-gender marriage then he cannot truthfully swear this oath. He has already signed the NOM pledge which endorses actions that would violate the equal protection clause for same-gender couples seeking the legal institution of marriage. He has also sworn an oath in the NOM pledge to create Constitutional denial of equal protection under the Constitution with the proposed "marriage" amendment.I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.
Rick Santorum maybe a very religious person but he's unqualified to be the president of the United States or hold any public office in the United States that requires an oath of office to preserve, protect and defend the US Constitution. Such an oath establishes the supremacy of the Constitution over personal religious beliefs.
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