Thread: BREAKING - Sheriff Arpaio: Obama birth certificate a ‘forgery’

Originally Posted by Shins

another argument from authority.

you say apply simple logic, but you just performed one of the most basic logical fallacies.

google: argument from authority.

youre actually the crazy one.

you say "use simple logic" and performed one of the most simple logical fallacies the next sentance.

come on people, grow up.

Try to follow along, ok? This might be tough for birthers to wrap their heads around, but we'll go with it.

You are in a conspiracy to sell Leonardo DaVinci paintings. Also in the conspiracy with you is DaVinci himself. Now... Obviously, you don't need to hire a forger to create FAKE DaVinci paintings, because you have DaVinci working with you, who can create the real thing.

This is the same situation.

The State of Hawaii, Department of Health, has repeatedly and conclusively verified Obama's Hawaiian birth, as well as the authenticity of his birth certificate. They are the same people who create Hawaiian birth certificates. This leads to only two possible conclusions:

1. Obama and the State of Hawaii are colluding in a massive conspiracy to cover his true birth origins, and the same people who verified his birth certificate created it, with the information on it that he needed to be eligible, and that information is false or unverified.
2. The birth certificate is real, the information on it is real, and there is no conspiracy.

Now, if you want to suspect #1 has taken place, fine, go find some proof of this. Make sure to prove why Republicans in the Department of Health would collude to elect a Democrat.

But there is absolutely no logical basis to conclude the birth certificate is a fake.

Originally Posted by Shins

There are both experts and facts!

youre being dishonest.

its not about his policies.

Obama has had a US Passport since he was 6 years old..

Do YOU have one?

If so.. open the cover and read what it says.

Originally Posted by Taxcutter

I saw the stuff released on drudge and it looks like the case is a lot like that of Dan Rather's forgery. there definitely seems to be evidence of electronic manipulation of the image.

Let's let experts in electronic manipulation of images work on this.

Let's assume the document is shown to be a forgery. That calls his eligibility into question once again. since the White House felt it had to use a forgery instead of the genuine article, that would strongly suggest that no genuine document exists, and now his elgibility IS in question.

If he cannot prove he is elgible, does that not invalidate every action he has taken since being elected?

It sounds a bit like Watergate, just this time it is breaking six months earlier in the cycle.

Why is the Democratic Party so enamored of fraud?

If it is proven he is not eligible to be president, he will have to be impeached, probably have to go to court for lying to a Supreme Court Judge during his inauguration, be made to pay back all his salary as well as any expenditures such as paid vacations (which is around a hundred million dollars), also return all money collected for his current campaign...and that would be the start.

Now for something somewhat interesting and connected to this, here is a very interesting link that raised my eyebrows a bit...read for yourself and form your own opinion: http://www.westernjournalism.com/and...a-eligibility/

Originally Posted by Taxcutter

Let's put the evidence to a legal test in a court of law.

You mean like was done in all the ballot challenges in Georgia, Indiana, and elsewhere?

Originally Posted by Margot

Forget your 'simple logic' and read the law...................

i know the law and it is completely irrelevent to the issue of his location of birth.

forget the law, we should be talking science not law.

after his location of birth is sufficiently established empirically, we can start talking law.

Originally Posted by CoolWalker

If it is proven he is not eligible to be president, he will have to be impeached, probably have to go to court for lying to a Supreme Court Judge during his inauguration, be made to pay back all his salary as well as any expenditures such as paid vacations (which is around a hundred million dollars), also return all money collected for his current campaign...and that would be the start.

Now for something somewhat interesting and connected to this, here is a very interesting link that raised my eyebrows a bit...read for yourself and form your own opinion: http://www.westernjournalism.com/and...a-eligibility/

LOL... Proving yet again birthers know nothing of our Constitution.

If he is impeached, he may be removed from office. If that is done, it does not invalidate the time he was in office. That's just another birther fantasy.

Originally Posted by Shins

i know the law and it is completely irrelevent to the issue of his location of birth.

forget the law, we should be talking science not law.

after his location of birth is sufficiently established empirically, we can start talking law.

Wouldn't his paternal grandmother be a good place to start?

Originally Posted by Margot

Obama has had a US Passport since he was 6 years old..

Do YOU have one?

If so.. open the cover and read what it says.

HA HA HA HAAA!!!!

Now that was funny!!!

Originally Posted by BullsLawDan

LOL... Proving yet again birthers know nothing of our Constitution.

If he is impeached, he may be removed from office. If that is done, it does not invalidate the time he was in office. That's just another birther fantasy.

Think again...ah don't bother, it might be too taxing.

Originally Posted by CoolWalker

Wouldn't his paternal grandmother be a good place to start?

no that would be pretty idiotic considering he didnt grow up with his dad or around his dads family