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    Quote Originally Posted by thediplomat2.0 View Post
    I use the term progressive to describe him. In a more generalized sense, he is a statist.
    I agree. I've found that progressives and liberals are two different things. Progresives are statists that are hellbent on world government. Liberals don't support world government but are in favor of a lot of the same policies as progressives, but are strongly opposed to others. Obama is certainly a progressive statist. That's why so many liberals dislike him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thediplomat2.0 View Post
    Dr. Righteous, I find it interesting that you are using Friedman as a reference. He is the architect of the monetary policy that you hate.
    Friedman was a brilliant man. What monetary policy are you referring to that he was an architect of?

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    hmmmmmmm..... sound familiar?


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marxism
    Capitalism according to Marxist theory can no longer sustain the living standards of the population due to its need to compensate for falling rates of profit by driving down wages, cutting social benefits and pursuing military aggression.


    No wonder the righties are going apepoopy about class warfare. The few that actually understand political science are scared spitless that their "defence" of capitalism appears to exactly what marxists want and as Marx/Engels predicted.

    Naturally, creating jobs, strenghtening entitlements, reducing military agression are all part of obama's maxist plan. But don't let truth get in the way of another bumpersticker slogan that the droolers know is bad,but can't for the life of them explain why.
    My karma ran over your dogma.

    "I count religion but a childish toy, and hold there is no sin but ignorance."- C Marlowe.

    “Those who will not reason, are bigots, those who cannot, are fools, and those who dare not, are slaves.” ― George Gordon Byron

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Righteous View Post
    Friedman was a brilliant man. What monetary policy are you referring to that he was an architect of?
    Monetarism. Friedman's ideology written in Monetary History of the United States argued that the Great Depression was the result of monetary contraction. In that regard, he argued that "dropping money out of a helicopter" could work. This notion has become the framework for the policy mindsets of Ben Bernanke and Timothy Geithner. His ideas, while well intentioned, have been abused tremendously, as have Keynes' ideas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brewskier View Post
    What do you call Fort Hood?
    And Little Rock.
    "There is a class of colored people who make a business of keeping the troubles, the wrongs, and the hardships of the Negro race before the public. Having learned that they are able to make a living out of their troubles, they have grown into the settled habit of advertising their wrongs-partly because they want sympathy and partly because it pays. Some of these people do not want the Negro to lose his grievances, because they do not want to lose their jobs." - Booker T. Washington 1911

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    Quote Originally Posted by thediplomat2.0 View Post
    Monetarism. Friedman's ideology written in Monetary History of the United States argued that the Great Depression was the result of monetary contraction. In that regard, he argued that "dropping money out of a helicopter" could work. This notion has become the framework for the policy mindsets of Ben Bernanke and Timothy Geithner. His ideas, while well intentioned, have been abused tremendously, as have Keynes' ideas.

    It was also his notion, that if an active monetary policy should exist, it should exist where interest rates are set as close to 0 as possible. That notion played a major role in causing the recent economic collapse.
    Im a Tarte, what! you want some of this!

    The essence of any utopianism is: Conjure an ideal that makes an impossible demand on reality, then announce that, until the demand is met in full, your ideal can't be fairly evaluated. Attribute any incidental successes to the halfway meeting of the demand, any failure to the halfway still to go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BestViewedWithCable View Post
    ...And Yes, Barack Obama is a Marxist

    It’s been four years and the mainstream media still refuses to address the fact that Barack Obama is a Marxist. In fact using that word gets you branded as a crazy (guilty but not on this issue) and someone who uses divisive "tone.

    Some who brand Obama Marxist use as their evidence his policies such as the takeover of the domestic auto business, Obamacare, "redistribution of income" etc. Others examine his associations, from Frank Marshall Davis and Bill Ayers to people he hired such as Van Jones and Rev. Jim Wallis. While valid, the examples above are purely circumstantial.

    I use a simpler and more direct method of proving my case. When the President was running for the Illinois State Senate, not only did he run with the endorsement of a local socialist organization, but also he signed a contract with one of them, The New Party. The party was a Marxist Political coalition. This was not guilt by association thing. Senator Obama sought out their nomination. He was successful in obtaining that endorsement which required that he sign a contract with the group.


    The proof is extensive and at the link:

    Leftys please list your excuses for hiding Obamas communist past.....
    Makes as much sense as "And yes Gingrich is a Facist" Go to town with it!!!!
    The truth is you can't hide from the truth. The truth is the truth is all there really is...

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    Quote Originally Posted by TBryant View Post
    Makes as much sense as "And yes Gingrich is a Facist" Go to town with it!!!!


    No, it makes much less sense. I could accept the argument that Obama or Gingrich are fascists, before I could accept that a corporatist centrist like Obama is a Marxist. I should clarify and say economic fascists, because I am certain neither are the sort of extreme nationalist slime that Nazis were. As much as I dislike Gingrich and Obama, neither is anywhere near as bad as a Nazi or any fascist for that matter.
    Im a Tarte, what! you want some of this!

    The essence of any utopianism is: Conjure an ideal that makes an impossible demand on reality, then announce that, until the demand is met in full, your ideal can't be fairly evaluated. Attribute any incidental successes to the halfway meeting of the demand, any failure to the halfway still to go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frodly View Post
    It was also his notion, that if an active monetary policy should exist, it should exist where interest rates are set as close to 0 as possible. That notion played a major role in causing the recent economic collapse.
    Ideally, Friedman was against the Federal Reserve, and favored a free banking gold standard. He was able to convince Reagan to dabble at the possibility of a return to the gold standard. Unfortunately, he is best known for engineering the building blocks for detrimental monetary policies, most recently quantitative easing. Like Keynes, Friedman's theories have been abused by the government.
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    Quote Originally Posted by frodly View Post
    It was also his notion, that if an active monetary policy should exist, it should exist where interest rates are set as close to 0 as possible. That notion played a major role in causing the recent economic collapse.
    That's a very Austrian perspective, misallocation of resources as a result of arbitrarily low interests rates that resulted in a build up of long term goods (homes) when we really should have been making short term investments.

    Friedman, like Keynes and Marx have all had their ideas used for purposes that none of them would have supported. Shame the rabble here couldn't tell you one from the other.
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