Thread: ...And Yes, Barack Obama is a Marxist

Originally Posted by Anikdote

That's a very Austrian perspective, misallocation of resources as a result of arbitrarily low interests rates that resulted in a build up of long term goods (homes) when we really should have been making short term investments.

Friedman, like Keynes and Marx have all had their ideas used for purposes that none of them would have supported. Shame the rabble here couldn't tell you one from the other.

Well, Marx's ideas, like Murray Rothbard's ideas are a pipe dream. You cannot reach the end-result of such philosophies.

Originally Posted by thediplomat2.0

Well, Marx's ideas, like Murray Rothbard's ideas are a pipe dream.

No argument there. Though I'd distinguish between the two that, Marx wouldn't have endorsed what is now refereed to as Marxism, Rothbard can be directly linked to his Utopian ideas.

Also, unlike Rothbard, Marx's ideas on labor are still referenced frequently.

Originally Posted by BestViewedWithCable

...And Yes, Barack Obama is a Marxist

It’s been four years and the mainstream media still refuses to address the fact that Barack Obama is a Marxist. In fact using that word gets you branded as a crazy (guilty but not on this issue) and someone who uses divisive "tone.

Some who brand Obama Marxist use as their evidence his policies such as the takeover of the domestic auto business, Obamacare, "redistribution of income" etc. Others examine his associations, from Frank Marshall Davis and Bill Ayers to people he hired such as Van Jones and Rev. Jim Wallis. While valid, the examples above are purely circumstantial.

I use a simpler and more direct method of proving my case. When the President was running for the Illinois State Senate, not only did he run with the endorsement of a local socialist organization, but also he signed a contract with one of them, The New Party. The party was a Marxist Political coalition. This was not guilt by association thing. Senator Obama sought out their nomination. He was successful in obtaining that endorsement which required that he sign a contract with the group.

The proof is extensive and at the link:

Leftys please list your excuses for hiding Obamas communist past.....

Obama is indeed a foolish socialist who want to turn America into a European welfare state.

Thanks to Obamacare, 49% of our health care costs today are now funded by the government. And who provides the funds for the transfer payments? You and me, the U.S. taxpayers, that's who!

Obama clearly supports the Marxist doctrine of, "From each according to his ability; to each according to his need."

This analysis is very good and exposes Obama for the true socialist he actually is!

Repealing Obamacare and Restoring a Free Market in Healthcare

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Originally Posted by thediplomat2.0

Monetarism. Friedman's ideology written in Monetary History of the United States argued that the Great Depression was the result of monetary contraction. In that regard, he argued that "dropping money out of a helicopter" could work. This notion has become the framework for the policy mindsets of Ben Bernanke and Timothy Geithner. His ideas, while well intentioned, have been abused tremendously, as have Keynes' ideas.

I never said I agreed with Friedman on everything, but I do agree with most of what he says. He simply had a few blind spots. If he had applied his tremendous understanding of the nature of government to monetary policy, he would have been an Austrian economist.

Originally Posted by Dr. Righteous

I never said I agreed with Friedman on everything, but I do agree with most of what he says. He simply had a few blind spots. If he had applied his tremendous understanding of the nature of government to monetary policy, he would have been an Austrian economist.

He did have a lot of Austrian elements in him. He was opposed to the Federal Reserve, and did favor a free banking gold standard. I think he realized that it would be very difficult to have such a system, so he proposed active monetary policy as an alternative. Unfortunately, his alternative system has become our demise.

Originally Posted by thediplomat2.0

He did have a lot of Austrian elements in him. He was opposed to the Federal Reserve, and did favor a free banking gold standard. I think he realized that it would be very difficult to have such a system, so he proposed active monetary policy as an alternative. Unfortunately, his alternative system has become our demise.

These comments by Milton Friedman were very good.

He has to explain to Phil Donahue why socilaism never seems to work well as an economic system!

Socialism vs Capitalism: Milton Friedman

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Originally Posted by thediplomat2.0

Well, Marx's ideas, like Murray Rothbard's ideas are a pipe dream. You cannot reach the end-result of such philosophies.

I agree, Diplomat.

The crux of Marxist theory is "From each according to his ability; to each according to his need."

This means the productive citizens of a society must always support and care for the un-productive members of society.

There is not one society in existence today where this philosophy has a chance in hell of ever succeeding!

Eventually, the productive citizens of a society get tired of constantly supporting the non-producers who contribute nothing, and they stop. This is exactly why the Soviet Union failed under the yoke and chains of communism!

Originally Posted by Anikdote

Great googly moogly, at least two of those are mutually exclusive.

googly moogly? LOL! They are all related. Socialism and Communism are forms of governance and Marx was a communist who developed his "marxist theory" with that end in mind, so his theories are skewed to favor his desire. Though he wasn't necessarily a fan of socialism he more than embraced that notion because it would lead to communism. And like I said, its all about class envy anti-capitalism and that is the bottom line.

Originally Posted by Anikdote

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Originally Posted by rahl

and yet, nowhere in this post did you attempt to define maxism/communism/socialism, nor did you provide specific examples that would lead you to believe obama is one.

thank you for proving my point.

I said "Ultimately these are all just forms of anti capitalism and are actually just economic theories that attempt to equalize society." and "The problem with their theory is the only way to achieve that society is through the application of force, in one form or another", which really defines marx.

I also said "All you have to do is listen to how he speaks and look at his associations and their beliefs" which leads one to conclude Obama would be a Marxist.

Occupy Wall Street would be a perfect example of Marxism and is fully supported and probably initiated by Obama and his SEIU goon Andy Stern. Marx wanted the peasant class to revolt against the ruling class and even thought many of them would have to be killed off, and while ows hasn't festered to the killing phase, they are attempting the revolt.

Obama was a community organizer. The Bill Ayers method of converting us to socialism wasn't working so "community organizing" was invented by the marxist of the '60's to organize revolt from below and to encourage the adoption of socialist and marxist thought.

There is considerable evidence his mother was a communist, and he had a childhood mentor who was a communist. He said he hung out with the more radical marxist elements in college.

thats the extremely short version.... quacks like a duck.... its a duck