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Thread: Zimmerman/Trayvon Incident Reported In Arizona, With Roles Reversed

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Szarycz View Post
    Al Sharpton and the media shock troopers won't even take notice. No arrest, no charges, no lead pipe. It's all downhill from here on for the civil rights.
    Your point is interesting. What are the benefits (for those who make gains on civil rights) for this latest racial strife being fueled in this case...as far as civil rights is concerned? Are less black teens being shot and killed now in America, since this erupted, or more. Less going to prison? Are more blacks getting an even better hiring advantage in the workplace as this tragedy unfolded? Are more, or less whites resisting blacks in their communities (rentals/home sales) than when this media frenzy was unleashed?

    I know I saw a CNN piece the other day, citing the black on black crime stats, which means that also is now becoming a big part of the national dialog. Is the exposure of that good or bad as far as civil rights is concerned?

    Really, what positive civil rights gains are being made?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SkyStryker View Post
    They said he was swinging a metal pipe and nobody saw one and nobody found one. Maybe the victim hid the pipe in his dog leash after he got shot?

    Even if the victim physically punched the shooter that does not justify deadly force.

    Where is the link saying the victim actually assaulted the shooter?
    Yes it can, learn the law here in AZ before making ASSumptions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkyStryker View Post
    Where is the link showing the victim assaulted the shooter????????
    I already told you...in the OP.

    Nice job in avoiding every single thing I said in my post btw.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tomfoo13ry View Post
    I already told you...in the OP.

    Nice job in avoiding every single thing I said in my post btw.
    So show from the OP article where it says the victim assaulted the shooter. It doesn't say that.

    Once again, where is the link where it shows the victim assaulted the shooter?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dingo44 View Post
    Yes it can, learn the law here in AZ before making ASSumptions.
    No it can't. Punching someone does not in any way imply imminent death as describe by AZ Law:

    A. A person is justified in threatening or using deadly physical force against another:
    1. If such person would be justified in threatening or using physical force against the other under
    section 13-404, and
    2. When and to the degree a reasonable person would believe that deadly physical force is
    immediately necessary to protect himself against the other's use or attempted use of unlawful
    deadly physical force.
    http://www.azleg.gov/FormatDocument....13&DocType=ARS

    Maybe you should study the law......

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkyStryker View Post
    So show from the OP article where it says the victim assaulted the shooter. It doesn't say that.

    Once again, where is the link where it shows the victim assaulted the shooter?
    It is getting really tiresome holding your hand through these things. You need to start doing some of this stuff on your own instead of being lazy and demanding other people do it for you. Read the ENTIRE article then look up the legal definition of "assault" and if you're still confused, come back and I'll educate you. It's time you learned how to fish.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zook View Post
    Interesting. No arrest. No gun on the murder victim. No lamestream media coverage. Well, apart from the crickets chirping, there are quite a few similarities here between Mr Adkins and Saint Trayvon.
    Not surprisingly I find no elaboration of what similarities exist. We can obviously assume that the fact that someone tragically died is a similarity but what else is similar?

    George Zimmerman, based upon the 911 call, assumed that Martin was a criminal on drugs basically he was a young black man walking in a neighborhood where he, Martin, belonged. Zimmerman, instead of simply reporting a person he was unfamiliar with being in the neighborhood, which is what a neighborhood watch is supposed to do, decided that Martin was a person with nefarious intentions solely because he was black (i.e. based upon racial profiling). Zimmerman, in defiance of normal neighborhood watch recommendations was armed and left his vehicle to actively pursue Martin and continued that pursuit even when the 911 operator said it was unnecessary, creating a very real and creditable threat to Martin based upon what Martin’s girlfriend has reported. Martin attempted to walk away from Zimmerman to remove the threat and Zimmerman followed. When Zimmerman approached to close creating an even greater threat then Martin turned to confront him. Zimmerman made no attempt to identify himself as a neighborhood watch person which would have defused the situation when Martin acted in self defense against a perceived threat which was his protected Right under the Florida “stand your ground” law. Instead of trying to stop the physical confrontation by telling Martin that he was a neighborhood watch captain Zimmerman instead pulled his concealed handgun and shot and killed Martin. The homicide detective for the Sanford Police Department recommended that Zimmerman be arrested for the death of Martin but Zimmerman was released instead.

    In the Taco Bell case, while equally as tragic, has none of these conditions related to it. Daniel Adkins, a mentally handicapped man of 29, apparently without looking stepped into the drive-thru lane of a Taco Bell where an unidentified 22 yo man and his girlfriend was pulling forward at the directions of the Taco Bell employee. The car did not strike Mr Adkins but obviously scared him but it’s not like these drive-thru lanes are clearly marked. Perhaps because he was mentally handicapped he didn’t realize that he really needed to look when coming around a corner and stepping into a drive-thru lane and instead of simply “writing it off as no-harm, no-foul” he decided to verbally assault the driver of the car. A heated exchange then ensued and Mr Atkins eventually threw a punch at the drive through the open car window. At no time did the driver of the car leave the vehicle and, except for a verbal exchange, was not presenting any threat to Mr Atkins. When Mr Atkins started to physically assault the driver the driver shot and killed him. No one at the police department recommended that the driver be detained and charged.

    So, excluding the fact that a tragic death was the result of both cases I’d like to know what the similarities are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SkyStryker View Post
    So show from the OP article where it says the victim assaulted the shooter. It doesn't say that.

    Once again, where is the link where it shows the victim assaulted the shooter?
    From the news story:

    An independent witness did say Adkins swung his fists in the driver's direction.

    “He swung his fist towards the driver window, and at some point the driver shot him,” says Phoenix Police Sgt. Tommy Thompson.
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    This is another "victory" for the Stand Your Ground law.

    Why bother avoiding a situation or retreating when you can blow someone away with your gun and have a great defense?

    It lets killers get away with murder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shiva_TD View Post
    From the news story:
    I saw that part but it was claimed he actually assaulted the shooter and that did not happen.

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