Oh, Groky Grok Grok...I mean the average person not trying to own a Bimmer, shooting up heroin, etc. What do you think is an hourly wage that you can rent an apartment (forget about home ownership), have a piece of crap car, money for gas to work, food, and a phone for emergencies?Originally Posted by Grokmaster
Guru
looks like you didn't understand the article.
how do you work it out that when the unions say it is wrong for workers to get a free ride on other workers, what they are saying is that work is slavery?
why don't you support non union members negotiating their own wages, terms and conditions, rather than accepting wages, terms and conditions that unions have negotiated on the part of their members?
or do you think that people who choose not to be union members should be entitled to the benefits that union members pay for?
"An era ends when its illusions can no longer be sustained" - Arthur Miller
It depends on WHERE and HOW you live. You are not entitled to an arbitrary wage, regardless of your skills or efforts.
You ARE free to make yourself as high value as you can....establishing SCHOOL CHOICE would be a GOOD START in that for some of the most in need of help.
Example: I have an up and coming Widget Company. Two people come to me seeking employment. Thanks ot having my taxes LOWERED, I can hire more help to facillitate more business, more earnings, and then pay more taxes . Woohoo!
Applicant One has a high school education, is reasonably good at widget machine operation, adn is a dependable worker;
Applicant Two has an MBA, and a degree in INternational Marketing, and is a PROVEN sales dynamo;
One will help me make more widgets to sell; Two will sell so many widgets for me , that I will need to hire even MORE Applicant One Types, just ot keep pace with my exapnding customer base.
What would be an appropriate "living wage" for One and Two? The same?
Last edited by Grokmaster; Apr 24 2012 at 05:20 PM.
"When the Electorate realizes they can vote themselves money from the Treasury, it will herald the end of the Republic." - Benjamin Franklin (most likely)
You're avoiding and I really thought we were building something there. I could tell you harbored strange feelings of like for me...
You'll find the number listed right beside the arbitrarily determined, much exploited by social engineering central planners....
"American dream"
"...whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government." ~ Thomas Jefferson
"One has not only a legal but a moral responsibility to obey just laws. Conversely, one has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws." ~ MLK
Where does this "average person" live? Living expenses vary GREATLY across our nation. Around here,(cnetral Indiana), about $400 per week , take home would do it, for a SINGLE PERSON, not sharing expenses.
Last edited by Grokmaster; Apr 24 2012 at 06:13 PM.
"When the Electorate realizes they can vote themselves money from the Treasury, it will herald the end of the Republic." - Benjamin Franklin (most likely)
Guru
FFS there is nothing arbitrary about the notion of a living wage.
it is a well known concept and is basically a wage level which allows the worker to pay for adequate shelter, food and all the things considered the necessities of life in a given society. It should be enough to ensure that no more than 30% is spent on housing costs (and this is reflected in borrowing levels allowed by reputable financial institutions). It should be sufficient for workers to earn enough income for what is considered by the society in general to be a reasonable standard of living.
"An era ends when its illusions can no longer be sustained" - Arthur Miller
Guru
OK, so where you are, you think $10 per hour is reasonable for a single person.
so you would be happy with $10 per hour, and if the union were to negotiate for higher wages, you would refuse to accept any wage incraese which came about through those negotiations, because you don't need it, or want it.
Last edited by cassandrabandra; Apr 24 2012 at 06:23 PM.
"An era ends when its illusions can no longer be sustained" - Arthur Miller
So $10 an hour for a single person, not married, no kids. Okay, just wanted to know what you thought was a living and decent wage that you would support all Americans making at least that.
Woops, I forgot taxes and social security...you were saying take home. So $13 an hour? (Redid my calc to be fair)
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