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    this is absolutely the most insane twisted logic I have ever heard of. I even doubt if the libs here can find any logic in this one.

    Indiana’s operating engineers’ union has filed a suit against the state’s new right-to-work law. Among other counts in the lawsuit, they allege that providing union-negotiated benefits to non-union workers toiling alongside union members violates the 13th Amendment. That is, because non-unionized workers aren’t paying dues in exchange for the union’s negotiations, union workers are being enslaved. Michigan Capital Confidential reports:

    An Indiana union suing Indiana Gov. Mitch Daniels over right-to-work legislation is claiming that it violates the 13th amendment — the law that outlaws slavery.

    In the lawsuit, the union claims that the Indiana right-to-work bill “requires dues-paying union members to work alongside non-union personnel,” which the union contends is slavery. Ed Maher, spokesman for the International Union of Operating Engineers Local 150, didn’t return a message left on his office phone.

    Patrick Wright, senior legal analyst for the Mackinac Center for Public Policy, said the union’s claim was ridiculous.

    “The legal argument expands the definition of chutzpa,” Wright said. “Compulsory membership and coerced dues and fees are the hallmarks of the union movement, yet they claim that giving workers more choice is an act of enslavement.” The International Union of Operating Engineers Local 150 filed its lawsuit Feb. 22 against Indiana’s governor, attorney general and labor commissioner. . . .

    Right-to-work laws prohibit employers and unions from entering into contracts that make workers’ financial support of the union a condition of employment. There are 23 states with right-to-work laws.
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    Well, who would know more about slavery than the left? They are the ones that keep promoting the practice even today.

    But seriously, working next to someone that is not part of the union and doesn't have to put any of their own money towards that union is slavery, then what is the progressive taxation we have called?
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    I'd like to tell these union goofs that the real slavery that happens in unionized shops is when YOU have to do OTHER PEOPLE'S work because they are either incompetent or lazy but they still get the same pay or more than you do, and the union protects those employees and that behavior.

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    Bitter collectivist drones largely consider working 'for the man' slavery.....
    Collectivist unions are just middlemen who found a way to extort a profit off of the "slavery"
    With progressives, you get one, two, or all three of the following: a pathological liar, someone bereft of the intellect to realize they're being lied to, and/or someone who has absolutely no problem with the lies if they believe they'll glean a bigger portion of the fruits of someone else's industry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by webrockk View Post
    Bitter collectivist drones largely consider working 'for the man' slavery.....
    Collectivist unions are just middlemen who found a way to extort a profit off of the "slavery"
    And the members fall for it every single time.

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    The unions are a dying breed.

    Trap an animal in the corner, and reasoning goes the way of fear. Emotional fear always causes illogical decisions.
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    Right to Work Laws are nothing of the sort. That sort of propaganda makes it seem like you have a right to work, ie a job will be supplied. Instead, it means that you can leave at will and an employer can fire you at ill. It means that non-exempts and exempts are defined differently. If you are salaried you receive no overtime. If you are a contractor in a right to work state and the company underbid to win, you will be working in conditions similar to a Chinese sweatshop and with no paid overtime.

    Office Space is a good example of this in the IT world. Peterrrrr, we're gonna need ya to just...come on in Saturday. And Sunday. Yeahhhhh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zosiasmom View Post
    Right to Work Laws are nothing of the sort. That sort of propaganda makes it seem like you have a right to work, ie a job will be supplied. Instead, it means that you can leave at will and an employer can fire you at ill. It means that non-exempts and exempts are defined differently. If you are salaried you receive no overtime. If you are a contractor in a right to work state and the company underbid to win, you will be working in conditions similar to a Chinese sweatshop and with no paid overtime.

    Office Space is a good example of this in the IT world. Peterrrrr, we're gonna need ya to just...come on in Saturday. And Sunday. Yeahhhhh.
    So what?

    Maybe the old blue concepts you hold so dear.. like "weekends" and (*)(*)(*)(*) are horribly out of date in a merciless global economy that economically punishes people who hold to the old "Blue Industrial Social Model" of the 1940's-50's??

    Ever think that maybe people need to entirely redefine their idea of what the work week may look like and start to have to work on Saturday and Sunday and maybe take say Tuesday and Thursday off?

    To succeed in today's economy requires the flexibility to throw off the old social norms established by the industrial era. We are post industrial now and things like "weekends" must go the way of the dodo.
    Last edited by SiliconMagician; Apr 24 2012 at 12:43 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SourD View Post
    I'd like to tell these union goofs that the real slavery that happens in unionized shops is when YOU have to do OTHER PEOPLE'S work because they are either incompetent or lazy but they still get the same pay or more than you do, and the union protects those employees and that behavior.
    I have never been in a union, and that still describes every job I've ever had. The only difference is the low ball figure that the owner dictates everyone is basically worth, with no regard to individual effort, or the high ball figure the union negotiates. As a society, both have their ups and downs. However, only a retarded worker would take a pro-right to work stance, just as only a retarded business owner would take an anti-right to work stance. If you think right to work has anything positive to offer workers, you are just retarded in general.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SiliconMagician View Post
    So what?

    Maybe the old blue concepts you hold so dear.. like "weekends" and (*)(*)(*)(*) are horribly out of date in a merciless global economy that economically punishes people who hold to the old "Blue Industrial Social Model" of the 1940's-50's??

    Ever think that maybe people need to entirely redefine their idea of what the work week may look like and start to have to work on Saturday and Sunday and maybe take say Tuesday and Thursday off?

    To succeed in today's economy requires the flexibility to throw off the old social norms established by the industrial era. We are post industrial now and things like "weekends" must go the way of the dodo.
    I take it you are for abolishing overtime pay as well right?

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