Russia Threatens PRE-EMPTIVE STRIKE AGAINST NATO Over Missile Defense

**Never Left** · May 05 2012, 03:28 PM

Originally Posted by Grokmaster

Whatever. That's the same crap they tried with Bush, and Condi Rice NEVER BATTED AN EYE, and we did exactly what we planned to.

The current Russian military is a SHADOW of the Soviet military, and THEY were no match for the US,and they knew it.

It isn't "arrogance"; it's objectivity ,less the annoying need Leftists have to try to pump up anyone opposing the U.S.

The Russians (and China and Iran) have an ace in the hole, Obama in the white house. They are betting big because they know Obama has not the balls to stand on principles, because they know he has none. Obama is our modern Chamberlain.

**Til the Last Drop** · May 05 2012, 03:29 PM

Originally Posted by Never Left

"Elite left" is an oxy-moran. Russia holds alot of cards in Europe, energy in abundance.

There are many different types of elite. Just because they all agree on globalism, and appear to be the same, doesn't mean they agree on what the term or final outcome is and/or should be.

**Grokmaster** · May 05 2012, 03:31 PM

Originally Posted by GeneralZod

It is common sense, not to offend a strong military power like russia. Unless you do want a war.

The Kremlin are just as conservative as your republicans and won't be tolerant. This is a dangerous game you are playing. But are you prepared to be burned.

It is common sense to defend your allies (such as NATO), form wgatever threat exists, which is what the US is doing..defending.

Russia is just jealous that Poland is siding with the US, and allowing her to place DEFENSIVE missiles on her soil.

The Russians are petulant, 12 year old girls, when it comes to Eastern Europe; they still think it's theirs...

**Grokmaster** · May 05 2012, 03:32 PM

Originally Posted by Never Left

The Russians (and China and Iran) have an ace in the hole, Obama in the white house. They are betting big because they know Obama has not the balls to stand on principles, because they know he has none. Obama is our modern Chamberlain.

I can't argue that, but am working tirelessly to knock THAT CARD out of the deck, so to speak....

**GeneralZod** · May 05 2012, 03:33 PM

Originally Posted by Grokmaster

It is common sense to defend your allies (such as NATO), form wgatever threat exists, which is what the US is doing..defending.

Russia is just jealous that Poland is siding with the US, and allowing her to place DEFENSIVE missiles on her soil.

The Russians are petulant, 12 year old girls, when it comes to Eastern Europe; they still think it's theirs...

You want to fight russia. Then take this up with Evilaztec. He is the resident russian military expert on this forum.

Personnly i see it as a dumb idea. And only end in tears.

**Never Left** · May 05 2012, 03:34 PM

Originally Posted by Til the Last Drop

There many different types of elite. Just because they all agree on globalism, and appear to be the same, doesn't mean they agree on what the term or final outcome is and/or should be.

True. They wish to be top dog. Globalism. To be sure. Our little poodle in the white house is piddleing on the floor. Obama has no intention of forceing the issue, he does not want to act arogently, as he stated we sometimes do in Berlin. He is the weak sister in the room, and everyone else in the room knows it and will walk on him.

**Til the Last Drop** · May 05 2012, 03:34 PM

Originally Posted by Grokmaster

It is common sense to defend your allies (such as NATO), form wgatever threat exists, which is what the US is doing..defending.

Russia is just jealous that Poland is siding with the US, and allowing her to place DEFENSIVE missiles on her soil.

The Russians are petulant, 12 year old girls, when it comes to Eastern Europe; they still think it's theirs...

Exactly. Why they need to "defend" Iran, for reasons your logic has already given sway to. What is good for the goose is good for the gander.

**Never Left** · May 05 2012, 03:40 PM

Originally Posted by Grokmaster

I can't argue that, but am working tirelessly to knock THAT CARD out of the deck, so to speak....

Obama is the player with the strong hand being intimidated by the bluff and tuff talk, he is blinking and thinking that their hand may be better than his. Russia has already shown that they are willing to with hold energy from western Europe as they did during the Georgia crisis. They are not playing a game, they are looking for weakness and they smell blood in the water. The middle east shake up, Iran developing nukes, changes in governments in Egypt and Libya, and they are already supporters of Syria, Russia sees an opportunity to reassert themselves, and when Putin wins the election, he will do more, and Obama will do less, and the whole balence of power will have to be reassessed.

**The Wyrd of Gawd** · May 05 2012, 03:41 PM

Originally Posted by Grokmaster

When did the USSR "flood Cuba with nukes"?

I seem to remember a US NAVAL BLOCKADE against it,and the USSR being backed down by JFK...you might want to read ACTUAL history, instead of whatever you are currently working off of...

You really believe that Israel will stand by for Russia to "flood Iran with nukes"?

So Israel is going to attack Russia? Or are they going to whine for us to die for them?

**GeneralZod** · May 05 2012, 03:42 PM

So far this topic is one sided. Americans lost in flag waving, screaming they take on russia.

If this forum was not so split up into geogrpahical groups and the russians actually took interest. They could join in. to give the counter argument. Explain where they nuke etc...

I do enjoy a good military virtual war game. Less messy than the real thing.