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Maybe people who think like this should get some education in the law.
"Use of the family courts"? So what about marriages with NO children?
Wow.
Maybe people who think like this should get some education in the law.
"Use of the family courts"? So what about marriages with NO children?
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Shakespeare said it long ago when he described the Right Wing political movement so very well -
"It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury signifying nothing."
Analyst
The laws are far from perfect and do need to be changed from time to time so I don't think that is really a valid argument.
Who's to say being left handed isn't an aberration? Look, I'm grateful you're willing to talk this through. But I don't see any value in exploring the sexual aspect of it. Yes there's some parallel between the attraction one guy has for watching cheerleader skirts, another has for wearing them, another has for naked guys, another has for naked girls, another has for naked corpses. But whatever that commonality is... it's irrelevant.
We don't deny the couple who likes to dress up in animal costumes and have sex the right to marry. And the reason we deny the guy who has a thing for corpses the right to marry a dead body isn't because of his sexual proclivity, it's because he's trying to marry something that can't even talk much share a life with him.
There is no similar reason to deny a couple the right to join their lives and live as one simply because you don't know why they're left handed. Or gay.
Henry George's theories were based on land ownership and how far a business was from a public resource like a mill or waterway. The man lived and died a decade before the model T was produced much less modern transportation and communication. Not only did Henry George never hear of the Internet, he barely lived long enough to see the electric light. Applying the theories of Henry George to modern nations is about as risky as letting the most brilliant caveman design your next airport.
Guru
Luckily for all of us, Iran's pretty far away from the U.S.
The reason we should not let same sex couples marry is because we didn't let them do it in colonial times? ... k. You're really going to make me respond to that one? I gotta drag out the fact that we didn't let women vote either or mixed race couples marry. We're really gotta do that song and dance again? C'mon... give me a better reason; that one's no fun to shoot down.
Henry George's theories were based on land ownership and how far a business was from a public resource like a mill or waterway. The man lived and died a decade before the model T was produced much less modern transportation and communication. Not only did Henry George never hear of the Internet, he barely lived long enough to see the electric light. Applying the theories of Henry George to modern nations is about as risky as letting the most brilliant caveman design your next airport.
Guru
I hope you realize that without legal precedent, the rule of law in this country are virtually meaningless. Heck, even the very founding of our nation, our form of government and its laws are based on the Roman Republic. The U.S. Constitution was based on the Iroquois Nation's constitution which consisted of beadwork. My point being that the rule of law in this country has always been preceded by what has come before; even new laws must adhere to older laws. Just look at the 18th Amendment, for example; it took the 21st Amendment to repeal it. Meaning that the 21st Amendment would not even exist had it not been preceded by the 18th Amendment. Hence, legal precedent.
There's people in the world today
Who say they're Jewish, Christian and such,
They're all ignorant fools.
They'll tell you you can't have your own way
unless you pay money and dedicate your life
Or you'll be d*mned in hell. ~ "Faith in God" - Bad Religion
Issuing a fishing license or motorcycle license has no utility either. We don't regulate those activities (along with the associated paperwork) because of how useful motorcyclists are to society. We do it because people choose to live that way and we accommodate their wishes as best we can.
That's all marriage is. At least to the state. It's an accommodation to our citizens who don't want to live as individuals, but want to join with a partner and live one life, in sickness and health, for richer and poorer, till death do they part. Once we certify that union we treat the (in many cases) as one unit... because that's what they want.
Sure a married couple (gay or otherwise) is more financially secure, happier and more productive. They less likely to need to tap into state resources in the "for poorer" or "in sickness" modes... but that's not why we let folks marry. We do it because, like motorcyclists, they choose that lifestyle and the state -- which serves the people -- does it's best to accommodate them.
Henry George's theories were based on land ownership and how far a business was from a public resource like a mill or waterway. The man lived and died a decade before the model T was produced much less modern transportation and communication. Not only did Henry George never hear of the Internet, he barely lived long enough to see the electric light. Applying the theories of Henry George to modern nations is about as risky as letting the most brilliant caveman design your next airport.
Analyst
Well being left handed has been proven scientifically quite conclusively so its really a dumb argument. Its like saying being a more intelligent person is an aberration.
The thing is, if some person is aroused by children or dead bodies or animals or whatever else, we do not encourage him. One of the reasons is of course that it strikes us as violation of rights and quite repulsive actually, but its also fundamentally wrong. If someone told you they like having sex with a chair, you wouldn't go out and encourage him or ask that the state condone / promote such activities because you can't really digest such a thing as being normal. My question is, is this aberration similar to how a homosexual feels? If yes, I do not deny them their right to practice it or to anything else, but should we as a society and the state be encouraging it or should be be raising awareness of it so that people who experience homosexuality can seek alternate treatments if they so wish.
Equal rights is a great thing but we do also have laws against prostitution and polygamy. Does that also not contain consenting adults? If yes, then why are we against it?
I think the problem is both sides are mostly unwilling to discuss the issue and just want the other to accept their viewpoint simple because its the right one.
No problem then! Those guys wore togas and emulated Greek style in everything, they were as gay as they come. Precedent problem solved!
Henry George's theories were based on land ownership and how far a business was from a public resource like a mill or waterway. The man lived and died a decade before the model T was produced much less modern transportation and communication. Not only did Henry George never hear of the Internet, he barely lived long enough to see the electric light. Applying the theories of Henry George to modern nations is about as risky as letting the most brilliant caveman design your next airport.
Analyst
Legal precedent is definitely important but sometimes laws do have to be changed to fit in with changing circumstances and new information. A thing could be wrong by principle but just because that's how its been done for hundreds of years (the laws merely reflecting that) is not an argument.
Laws have changed in the past rendering precedents meaningless. So they do determine how society should act but simply because the law says so does NOt necessaily mean that it must be right.
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