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    Quote Originally Posted by dixon76710 View Post
    . Christianity is about the individuals relationship with god and fellow man. Doesnt concern itself with government.
    I'm sorry, have you been to Rome? You can't get more hierarchical and overbearing than Catholicism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sammy View Post
    It would be a contradiction but it isn't as the Bible never says that.
    The animals were created first.

    Genesis 1:24 Then God said "Let the Earth bring forth living creatures after their kind: cattle and creeping things and beasts of the Earth after their kind; and it was so.
    25 God made the beasts of the Earth after their kind and the cattle after their kind and everything that creeps on the ground after its kind and God saw that it was good.
    26 Then God said "Let Us (trinity reference, not angels) make man in Our image according to our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the Earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the Earth."
    27 God created man in His own image in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.


    Genesis 2:18 Then Jehovah (LORD) God said," It is not good for the man to be alone; I will make him a helper suitable for him."
    19 Out of the ground Jehovah God formed every beast of the field and every bird of the sky, and brought them to the man ...
    I can see where it looks like two different accounts but notice in chapter 2 verse 19 it doesn't state the word 'then'. It does not read:
    Then Jehovah God formed every beast...
    The way the verse is started off we can still infer that God had already created the animals and it is just stating again how they were created.

    In case you feel that something is wrong in the United States today, you aren't crazy.
    Obama has sent the United States into a decline never before seen in it's history. More than 500K college graduates entered the job market in May and less than 69K new private sector jobs were available for them. You do the math!
    ~_~;

    Sammy, stop a second, step back and listen to yourself. Do you realize how crazy you're sounding right now? The only to get that is to start with the conclusion that there are no contradictions and twist the text however you have to to make it fit. The sense of the second passage is obviously that humans were created first. And considering that we're dealing with a translation of a translation of a translation here, trying to completely change the sense of a passage on the basis of one "then" is just plain silly.
    Bosses don't create jobs, customers do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ninth View Post
    I'm sorry, have you been to Rome? You can't get more hierarchical and overbearing than Catholicism.
    Catholocism has a long history of divine rule. I was referring to the Christianity of the bible.

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    The sense of the second passage is obviously that humans were created first.
    False! Yes, it would be best to look at the original Hebrew in context but we shall resort to analysis of the KJV translation, since most are not Hebrew experts here. We can still prove there is no contradiction.

    18 And the Lord God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.

    19 And out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.

    20 And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.

    21 And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;

    22 And the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.

    23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.

    24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

    25 And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.

    From the passages above you can not determine that God created animals after man.
    We already know from reading Genesis 1 that animals were created first.

    Verse 19 doesn't state when in time God created animals. It only states that God created animals and Adam was given the opportunity to name them. Obviously Adam couldn't name them unless
    man and the animals existed first. We can assume therefore that God created animals , then Adam and then later asked Adam to name the animals.

    NB! Adam didn't find the animals as suitable helpers or mates and so God created Eve, not Steve.
    God could have created Steve, but he didn't. Hence we can infer that gay marriage is
    not God's plan or creation, but man's. We can also infer beastiality wasn't God's plan.

    God's plan was to have one man and one wife as mates.

    In case you feel that something is wrong in the United States today, you aren't crazy.
    Obama has sent the United States into a decline never before seen in it's history. More than 500K college graduates entered the job market in May and less than 69K new private sector jobs were available for them. You do the math!
    Last edited by sammy; Jun 08 2012 at 04:04 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sammy View Post
    Keep thinking that way if you want but the majority of Americans are voting Obama out in November
    partly because the US economy is a total disaster. If Americans could go back in time to the Bus era of prosperity they would. But that ain't gonna happen under Obama.

    In case you feel that something is wrong in the United States today, you aren't crazy.
    Obama has sent the United States into a decline never before seen in it's history. More than 500K college graduates entered the job market in May and less than 69K new private sector jobs were available for them. You do the math!
    I would prefer the Clinton economy before Bush got his hands on it..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kessy_Athena View Post
    Actually, the primary issue was about the sale of indulgences, and general issues related to penitence and the forgiveness of sins. The Papal Schism, where there were two different claimants to the Papacy for something like 40 years - was also a significant contributing factor. For example, there's nothing in Luther's Ninety-Five Theses that is even remotely related to the divine right of kings. I don't believe that in all the chaos of the Reformation that the Protestants ever challenged the idea of divine right monarchy. Seriously, this is the first time I've ever heard such a claim.
    You won't find much in the Encyclopedia Britanica description of the Protestant reformation. And Luthers writing marked the very beginning of the protestant reformation. Just on the first page of google dearch results on -martin luther protestant reformation democracy-

    “A Christian man is the most free lord of all, and subject to none” Martin Luther

    The Reformation Plants Seeds of Modern Democracy and Federalism
    http://teachergenius.teachtci.com/th...nd-federalism/

    The Protestant Reformation led to modern concepts of Democracy
    http://www.medieval-life-and-times.i...eformation.htm

    Reformation Faith & Representative Democracy

    Luther’s doctrine of “the priesthood of all believers” also heavily influenced the emergence of representative democracy.
    http://blog.acton.org/archives/2010-...democracy.html

    In politics, Democracy is the freedom of people. Democracy is based on the idea of all people are equal. As Luther says, “every baptized Christian is a priest already, not by appointment or ordination from the Pope or any other man, but because Christ Himself has begotten him as a priest…in baptism”, it depicts the idea of all Christian are equal and Popes don’t have super power over other people.
    http://www.eportfolio.lagcc.cuny.edu...eformation.doc

    The debate Martin Luther began nearly 500 years ago turned the world upside down. Democracy, civil rights and liberties, constitutional government, religious liberty, and the free market all find their roots in the Reformation.
    http://gospelpedlar.com/articles/Chu...formation.html

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    I would prefer the Clinton economy before Bush got his hands on it..
    Well the US economy was far, far better under Clinton or Bush.

    The US economy is really in dire straights right now and getting worse.
    Last edited by sammy; Jun 08 2012 at 05:32 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FreshAir View Post
    I would prefer the Clinton economy before Bush got his hands on it..
    Clinton had little to nothing to do with the economy of the 90s other than staying out of its way. Clinton was probably the most conservative Democratic President weve ever had. Clinton was the peak of the Democratic Leadership Council that oversaw a rightward shift of the Democratic party. Welfare Reform, Free Trade, School vouchers, Invasion of Iraq. The Democrats started to ape the republicans. Helped get them elected and helped the American economy, a rightward shift of the democrats on the left. Similiar to Labour becoming New Labour in the UK, distancing themselves from their socialist origins.

    Obama has undone it all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dixon76710 View Post
    Clinton had little to nothing to do with the economy of the 90s other than staying out of its way. Clinton was probably the most conservative Democratic President weve ever had. Clinton was the peak of the Democratic Leadership Council that oversaw a rightward shift of the Democratic party. Welfare Reform, Free Trade, School vouchers, Invasion of Iraq. The Democrats started to ape the republicans. Helped get them elected and helped the American economy, a rightward shift of the democrats on the left. Similiar to Labour becoming New Labour in the UK, distancing themselves from their socialist origins.

    Obama has undone it all.
    What a ridiculously uneducated statement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dixon76710 View Post
    Catholocism has a long history of divine rule. I was referring to the Christianity of the bible.
    The Bible is a product of the Catholic Church.......... it was compiled and edited by the Catholic Church in 200-300 AD.
    When social conservatives of the Republican Party state they want to return to "traditional American values" this is the "traditional American value" that they support.

    "This is a country for white men, and by God, as long as I am President, it shall be a government for white men.” Andrew Johnson 1866.

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