Thread: Will jury, or judge, decide George Zimmerman's fate?, Part II

Originally Posted by superbadbrutha

LOL, you should start writing fiction stories because that is all that dribble is. How does a person who is scared react when they feel they are cornered.

Zimmerman was the only who got cornered. Take a look at the crime scene it is wide open. The only way a person could be "cornered" is if they are being pinned to the ground.

Originally Posted by superbadbrutha

So a person that is scared wouldn't ask someone why they are following them. The hits just keep on coming.

No, a person that is scared would be concerned with getting to safety. The only thing that is "Superbad" is your logic.

Originally Posted by superbadbrutha

Really, please tell us how you know he confronted him.

He hung around in the dark and asked why he was following him. The injuries to Zimmerman suggest Martin wasn't too happy about it.

Originally Posted by superbadbrutha

Who said he didn't? He didn't have every right to harrass and bother Trayvon though.

Where is proof that Zimmerman harrassed Martin? Proof? anybody? Bueller? Bueller?

Originally Posted by superbadbrutha

Uh shooting someone in the chest is against the law.

Not in self defense.

Originally Posted by superbadbrutha

No, you made the claim that you had to be charged with a crime in order for SYG to come into effect and that is not true is it?

When else would you need to use SYG? Again, "Superbad logic".

Originally Posted by superbadbrutha

Who said he shouldn't have a trial?

Maybe I should say a fair trial. You know innocent until proven guilty.

Originally Posted by superbadbrutha

As is yours and everyone else's on this forum.

No, I'm just sticking to the principle of innocent until proven guilty. Some people like you are assuming guilt without even hearing both sides of the case. That's not right.

Originally Posted by superbadbrutha

I am trying to figure out how a 158lb kid could pin down a grown man and bash his head into the concrete at the same time. Must be a majic trick.

Then call Trayvon Houdini...he did just that.

Originally Posted by superbadbrutha

(*)(*)(*)(*) Trayvon was one helluva kid or Zimmerman is the biggest (*)(*)(*)(*)(*) in America.

Could be a combination of both. Or maybe you still believe those old photos shown in the media of Trayvon when he was a kid.

Originally Posted by superbadbrutha

Well Zimmerman sure is.

I don't expect anyone in this case with motive to lie to be honest about the events. That includes Zimmerman.

Originally Posted by superbadbrutha

Sure you do, that is what you are basing your facts on what people said.

Eyewitness accounts of people who aren't friends or relatives of either side and the physical evidence. What would be their motive to lie here?

Originally Posted by superbadbrutha

Your right that gunshot wound doesn't lie.

Did I say it did?

Originally Posted by superbadbrutha

Doesn't show he attacked him.

When Trayvon had no injuries like those, sorry but it does show Martin attacked him.

Originally Posted by superbadbrutha

No, he just put a bullet in his chest.

In self defense.

Originally Posted by superbadbrutha

Really please post where she stated he confronted Zimmerman, btw he didn't have to run according to SYG.

SYG is irrelevant to the point. Not running proves he wasn't scared. Staying in the vicinity shows Martin meant to confront Zimmerman and Dee's testimony shows he did.

Originally Posted by superbadbrutha

Show where Trayvon attacked Zimmerman initially or started the conflict.

Already did.

Originally Posted by Hoosier8

Because he was legally carrying a gun and had a flashlight?

It hasn't been shown that Zimmerman even went into the "alley" before he and Martin crossed paths. Zimmerman's keychain was found in the grass about 5 feet in where the sidewalk T's off.

Originally Posted by doombug

Zimmerman was the only who got cornered.

Wow talk about some BS.

Take a look at the crime scene it is wide open. The only way a person could be "cornered" is if they are being pinned to the ground.

Moronic that is all I can say.

No, a person that is scared would be concerned with getting to safety. The only thing that is "Superbad" is your logic.

Please tell me this Oh Smart One, if Zimmerman was not chasing this kid and was the one scared and cornered how did he end up shooting this kid behind this row of houses and not out on the street where he would have been safe in his truck. Now if I am afraid of someone why in the hell would I go running after them in the dark, suck on that logic for a moment.

He hung around in the dark and asked why he was following him. The injuries to Zimmerman suggest Martin wasn't too happy about it.

They also suggest he may have bitten off more than he could chew.

Where is proof that Zimmerman harrassed Martin? Proof? anybody? Bueller? Bueller?

Did Trayvon chase behind Zimmerman or did Zimmerman chase behind Trayvon?

Not in self defense.

Lets see if a jury of his peers thinks it was self defense.

When else would you need to use SYG? Again, "Superbad logic".

If somone kicked your door in at your house and you blasted them in the Living Room would that be considered as SYG? Do you think you would be charged with 2nd Degree Murder?

Maybe I should say a fair trial. You know innocent until proven guilty.

Is there any other kind.

No, I'm just sticking to the principle of innocent until proven guilty. Some people like you are assuming guilt without even hearing both sides of the case. That's not right.

It is not different than you assuming he is innocent. I said all along let him go into a Court of Law and lets see what 12 jurors think.

Then call Trayvon Houdini...he did just that.

I know according to the witness who changed their story about 3 times.

Could be a combination of both. Or maybe you still believe those old photos shown in the media of Trayvon when he was a kid.

I don't need to see a photo I know what a 5'11", 158lb kid nicknamed "slim" looks like, because I have a 5'9", 165lb 15yr old.

I don't expect anyone in this case with motive to lie to be honest about the events. That includes Zimmerman.

Why would he need to lie he is innocent let you tell it.

Eyewitness accounts of people who aren't friends or relatives of either side and the physical evidence. What would be their motive to lie here?

Thats just it these so-called eyewitnesses are friends or acquaintices of Zimmerman. They didn't know Trayvon from Adam so who do you think they would lie for.

Did I say it did?

Probably so.

When Trayvon had no injuries like those, sorry but it does show Martin attacked him.

LOL, I could say the samething, what person gets in a major scuffle with someone, hitting them hard enough to put scars, scratches and bruises on them and the person inflicting the harm doesn't have but on scratch one knuckle in which they are not even sure where it came from. No bruising of the knuckles, no broken finger nail, but they just beat the hell out of someone.

In self defense.

Well we have to wait and see if a jury thinks it was self defense.

SYG is irrelevant to the point. Not running proves he wasn't scared.

No it doesn't, he might have known which way Zimmerman was running.

Staying in the vicinity shows Martin meant to confront Zimmerman and Dee's testimony shows he did.

Please post where Dee's testimony shows that.

Already did.

No you didn't.

Using your asinine logic one would think that the person who attempts to throw the first punch always wins the fight.

Originally Posted by doombug

It hasn't been shown that Zimmerman even went into the "alley" before he and Martin crossed paths. Zimmerman's keychain was found in the grass about 5 feet in where the sidewalk T's off.

Tell you what, look at a map of the layout of the neighborhood, look at where Z's truck is parked, look at where Trayvon was staying and look at where this confrotation took place.

http://justoneminute.typepad.com/mai...win-lakes.html

"News stories have been routinely disseminated presenting opinion and rumors as fact. Any person who has logged onto a news website in the last three months has at the least seen a headline relating to the case," ~ Judge Lester

Originally Posted by superbadbrutha

Please tell me this Oh Smart One, if Zimmerman was not chasing this kid and was the one scared and cornered how did he end up shooting this kid behind this row of houses and not out on the street where he would have been safe in his truck. Now if I am afraid of someone why in the hell would I go running after them in the dark, suck on that logic for a moment.

Did I say Zimmerman was afraid of Trayvon up until the point Trayvon had inflicted head injuries and pinned him to the ground? No, so try again.

Originally Posted by superbadbrutha

Did Trayvon chase behind Zimmerman or did Zimmerman chase behind Trayvon?

Trayvon lost Zimmerman and then hung out in the dark to confront him. That is what the evidence shows so far.

Originally Posted by superbadbrutha

Lets see if a jury of his peers thinks it was self defense.

Sure. That is what I have been saying all along: "innocent until found guilty" by a jury of his peers.What part of that do you not understand?

Originally Posted by superbadbrutha

If somone kicked your door in at your house and you blasted them in the Living Room would that be considered as SYG? Do you think you would be charged with 2nd Degree Murder?

Depends if Angela Corey gets a hold of the case. She would charge me with murder 1.

Originally Posted by superbadbrutha

It is not different than you assuming he is innocent. I said all along let him go into a Court of Law and lets see what 12 jurors think.

It is different. You assume Zimmerman is guilty without even seeing all the evidence or hearing either side argue their case. Until then he is innocent until proven guilty. I am glad I could clear that up for you. Now you know how justice works.

Originally Posted by superbadbrutha

I know according to the witness who changed their story about 3 times.

So what? He hasn't changed the most important part.

Originally Posted by superbadbrutha

I don't need to see a photo I know what a 5'11", 158lb kid nicknamed "slim" looks like, because I have a 5'9", 165lb 15yr old.

So you are thinking of your son instead of Trayvon? That explains alot. It makes sense that a parent would want to put away anyone who shoots a teen. What parent wouldn't want to make the world a safer place for their kid? But it can't be done at the cost of justice. If a teen causes bodily injury to someone and has them pinned where they can't get away the the person has every right to defend themselves. The way to make the world a safer place is the teach kids not to fight, especially with someone they don't know.

Originally Posted by superbadbrutha

Why would he need to lie he is innocent let you tell it.

Are you kidding? Looking at the situation Zimmerman is in now I would have never said anything to the police without a lawyer. The amount of hatred directed at Zimmerman is unbelievable and a disgrace. Innocent until proven guilty is how it works.

Originally Posted by superbadbrutha

Thats just it these so-called eyewitnesses are friends or acquaintices of Zimmerman. They didn't know Trayvon from Adam so who do you think they would lie for.

You don't know that. Post a link.

Originally Posted by superbadbrutha

LOL, I could say the samething, what person gets in a major scuffle with someone, hitting them hard enough to put scars, scratches and bruises on them and the person inflicting the harm doesn't have but on scratch one knuckle in which they are not even sure where it came from. No bruising of the knuckles, no broken finger nail, but they just beat the hell out of someone.

I have. I have seen other people who have as well. You don't always get skinned knuckes from punching someone. You can get an "abrasion" on a finger from someone's tooth if you punch someone in the nose.

Originally Posted by superbadbrutha

Well we have to wait and see if a jury thinks it was self defense.

So does this mean no more BS from you? Looks like I am the only one interested in a fair trial.

Originally Posted by superbadbrutha

Please post where Dee's testimony shows that.

She claims Trayvon said "why are you following me for?" Proof Trayvon initiated the confrontation.

Originally Posted by superbadbrutha

Using your asinine logic one would think that the person who attempts to throw the first punch always wins the fight.

Not always but it that punch lands right, smashing the nose for example, it puts the one who punched first at a significant advantage. Trayvon had to have punched first because there is no evidence whatsoever that Zimmerman punched at all.

Originally Posted by superbadbrutha

Tell you what, look at a map of the layout of the neighborhood, look at where Z's truck is parked, look at where Trayvon was staying and look at where this confrotation took place.

http://justoneminute.typepad.com/mai...win-lakes.html

No one knows where Z's truck was parked. That is all guess work.

Originally Posted by doombug

Did I say Zimmerman was afraid of Trayvon up until the point Trayvon had inflicted head injuries and pinned him to the ground? No, so try again.



Trayvon lost Zimmerman and then hung out in the dark to confront him. That is what the evidence shows so far.



Sure. That is what I have been saying all along: "innocent until found guilty" by a jury of his peers.What part of that do you not understand?



Depends if Angela Corey gets a hold of the case. She would charge me with murder 1.



It is different. You assume Zimmerman is guilty without even seeing all the evidence or hearing either side argue their case. Until then he is innocent until proven guilty. I am glad I could clear that up for you. Now you know how justice works.




So what? He hasn't changed the most important part.




So you are thinking of your son instead of Trayvon? That explains alot. It makes sense that a parent would want to put away anyone who shoots a teen. What parent wouldn't want to make the world a safer place for their kid? But it can't be done at the cost of justice. If a teen causes bodily injury to someone and has them pinned where they can't get away the the person has every right to defend themselves. The way to make the world a safer place is the teach kids not to fight, especially with someone they don't know.



Are you kidding? Looking at the situation Zimmerman is in now I would have never said anything to the police without a lawyer. The amount of hatred directed at Zimmerman is unbelievable and a disgrace. Innocent until proven guilty is how it works.



You don't know that. Post a link.



I have. I have seen other people who have as well. You don't always get skinned knuckes from punching someone. You can get an "abrasion" on a finger from someone's tooth if you punch someone in the nose.




So does this mean no more BS from you? Looks like I am the only one interested in a fair trial.




She claims Trayvon said "why are you following me for?" Proof Trayvon initiated the confrontation.



Not always but it that punch lands right, smashing the nose for example, it puts the one who punched first at a significant advantage. Trayvon had to have punched first because there is no evidence whatsoever that Zimmerman punched at all.

He was probably too busy holding on to his gun!

Originally Posted by superbadbrutha

Tell you what, look at a map of the layout of the neighborhood, look at where Z's truck is parked, look at where Trayvon was staying and look at where this confrotation took place.

http://justoneminute.typepad.com/mai...win-lakes.html

Brutha.... that's not where GZ's car was parked.. and that will be an issue at trial.. Zimmerman's car was further towards the entrance and on the other side of the street.

Originally Posted by Margot

Brutha.... that's not where GZ's car was parked.. and that will be an issue at trial.. Zimmerman's car was further towards the entrance and on the other side of the street.

How do you know this? Have a link?