Thread: White House Starts Its Push to Claim "it's NOT a Tax!"

Originally Posted by Radio Refugee

...not one single Republican voted for it.

WTF?

The president wasn't lying about the economy he admitted that he made a miss-statement but by not including his admission of error in your quote it turns out that the way you're quoting the president is a false-hood. Now let’s look at Romney’s advice to the president regarding national health care:

USA Today

Mr. President, what's the rush ?

Obama could learn a thing or two about health care reform from Massachusetts. One, time is not the enemy. Two, neither are the Republicans.

“Our experience also demonstrates that getting every citizen insured doesn't have to break the bank. First, we established incentives for those who were uninsured to buy insurance. Using tax penalties, as we did, or tax credits, as others have proposed, encourages "free riders" to take responsibility for themselves rather than pass their medical costs on to others.”

Mitt Romney was governor of Massachusetts from 2003 to 2007.

http://www.usatoday.com/printedition...n30_st.art.htm


Romney has never admitted his advice to the president in his editorial was a mis-statement. And Romney has supported a national health care plan on many occasions. Thus per the conservative thinking he is a socialist.

Originally Posted by squidward

obama never presented the tax as a tax

No Obama never stated the penalty was a tax. And by the way no matter what you call it you are in error by not stating that the penalty is conditional.
And that is what still makes it a penalty.

Originally Posted by Frowning Loser

No Obama never stated the penalty was a tax. And by the way no matter what you call it you are in error by not stating that the penalty is conditional.
And that is what still makes it a penalty.

not what the court said. Not what his lawyers argued. You are dismissed.

Originally Posted by squidward

not what the court said. Not what his lawyers argued. You are dismissed.

But you're not dismissed. Although I can see why you may be apprehensive about debating me. Do we both agree that whether you call it a tax or not it is conditional.

Originally Posted by Frowning Loser

But you're not dismissed. Although I can see why you may be apprehensive about debating me. Do we both agree that whether you call it a tax or not it is conditional.

so you are saying that they bill really is unconstitutional, and the court got it wrong ?

Originally Posted by squidward

Do we know any other taxes based on no activity ?

Technically, we're being taxed for not buying a GM product.
Technically, we're being taxed for not buying Solyndra solar panels.
Technically, we've been taxed for not buying enough mortgages to prevent the "crash", the bank bailouts and the "stimulus"

Originally Posted by Frowning Loser

But you're not dismissed. Although I can see why you may be apprehensive about debating me. Do we both agree that whether you call it a tax or not it is conditional.

Ayuh,... Which doesn't change the Fact that Obocare in it's 2000 plus pages includes Tax Increases, that are the Largest Tax Increases in the history of mankind....

That's Huge Tax Increases for not only the Rich, but on all Us common poor folks as well....

Originally Posted by squidward

so you are saying that they bill really is unconstitutional, and the court got it wrong ?

You realize that you are putting words in my mouth that I never said. I said that whatever you choose to call it a tax or otherwise it is still a penalty based on conditional behavior and perfectly fits the definition of what a penalty is. You're looking for a simplistic concept because you have no ability to think outside of the box.

pen·al·ty   /ˈpɛnlti/ Show Spelled[pen-l-tee] Show IPA
noun, plural pen·al·ties.
1. a punishment imposed or incurred for a violation of law or rule.
2. a loss, forfeiture, suffering, or the like, to which one subjects oneself by nonfulfillment of some obligation.
3. something that is forfeited, as a sum of money.
4. a disadvantage imposed upon one of the competitors or upon one side for infraction of the rules of a game, sport, etc.
5. consequence or disadvantage attached to any action,

http://www.educationdegreesource.com..._Legal_Studies

The President said it wasn't a tax, then had his lawyers go in and argue that it is constitutional BECAUSE it is a tax. He LIED to the American voter. Very dangerous in an election year. Buh, bye!