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    What a lot of these farmers are afraid of is the government spotting that they are illegally growing crops on the land they are being paid taxpayer money to keep fallow for "crop price supports".

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    Quote Originally Posted by fiddlerdave View Post
    What a lot of these farmers are afraid of is the government spotting that they are illegally growing crops on the land they are being paid taxpayer money to keep fallow for "crop price supports".

    Millionaire welfare cheats have no shame.
    Some people choose not to have their privacy invaded. They don't have to have a criminal reason. Think of all the celebrities who go to all the trouble to put up tents in the LA estates when having parties or weddings.

    Furthermore, it is not the job of the EPA to spy on civilians...or it wasn't.

    However, this is another use of the Patriot Act that was intended for the purpose of catching those mean old terrorists. Thanks again for that Dems and Repubs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fiddlerdave View Post
    What a lot of these farmers are afraid of is the government spotting that they are illegally growing crops on the land they are being paid taxpayer money to keep fallow for "crop price supports".

    Millionaire welfare cheats have no shame.
    I think it probably goes deeper than that - http://www.themeatrix.com/ - it is the dumping of large amounts of dung from factory farms

    http://www.nrdc.org/water/pollution/ffarms.asp

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    Quote Originally Posted by DonGlock26 View Post
    The SWAT team...
    So? They were removing the kid from the home of a pack of lunatics.

    Do you know how many kids die because nobody was ready to deal with some crazy who thinks he has a right to tell the goverenment how custody is supposed to work? I know of two that died in my county this year because a non-custodial parent chimped out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zosiasmom View Post
    Some people choose not to have their privacy invaded. They don't have to have a criminal reason.
    If you are doing business of a nature which may, if not practiced under certain constraints, harm your neighbors, you have no right to privacy which supercedes the right of the down-streamers to good health. You have no right to expect that the governmment not survey the exterior of your dwellings or shops.

    Furthermore, it is not the job of the EPA to spy on civilians...or it wasn't.
    Wrong! It's called "inspection" and it IS the EPA's job.
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    so if the epa showed up in SUVs and conducted an inspection that way it would be ok? but not flying overhead?
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Mello Guy View Post
    so if the epa showed up in SUVs and conducted an inspection that way it would be ok? but not flying overhead?
    Yeah and they have to have a warrant and serve it.

    The Fourth Amendment (Amendment IV) to the United States Constitution is the part of the Bill of Rights which guards against unreasonable searches and seizures, along with requiring any warrant to be judicially sanctioned and supported by probable cause. It was adopted as a response to the abuse of the writ of assistance, which is a type of general search warrant, in the American Revolution. Search and seizure (including arrest) should be limited in scope according to specific information supplied to the issuing court, usually by a law enforcement officer, who has sworn by it. The Fourth Amendment applies to the states by way of the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by leftysergeant View Post
    If you are doing business of a nature which may, if not practiced under certain constraints, harm your neighbors, you have no right to privacy which supercedes the right of the down-streamers to good health. You have no right to expect that the governmment not survey the exterior of your dwellings or shops.

    Wrong! It's called "inspection" and it IS the EPA's job.
    Wrong

    The Fourth Amendment (Amendment IV) to the United States Constitution is the part of the Bill of Rights which guards against unreasonable searches and seizures, along with requiring any warrant to be judicially sanctioned and supported by probable cause. It was adopted as a response to the abuse of the writ of assistance, which is a type of general search warrant, in the American Revolution. Search and seizure (including arrest) should be limited in scope according to specific information supplied to the issuing court, usually by a law enforcement officer, who has sworn by it. The Fourth Amendment applies to the states by way of the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment.
    With their infernal racial set-asides, racial quotas, and race norming, liberals share many of the Klan's premises. The Klan sees the world in terms of race and ethnicity. So do liberals! Indeed, liberals and white supremacists are the only people left in America who are neurotically obsessed with race. Conservatives champion a color-blind society. -- Ann Coulter

    I am jack's righteous indignation....

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