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    Quote Originally Posted by Zosiasmom View Post
    Some would argue the fact that we are one of the few nations not invaded is because we are one of the most well-armed populaces in the world. That is the militia argument being made.
    That's why Bush invaded Iraq ... he told Condi Rice to horrify America with fables of Muslims hijacking boats, tankers, aircraft & flying saucers to cross 3,000 miles of oceans and invade us and nuke us ...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Crawdadr View Post
    Just how is another set of laws going to disarm the criminals? Please answer that and I may be willing to consider more gun laws. But at this point it all just seems like more victim disarmament laws.
    Exactly. If we can't prevent crimes, how do we expect to prevent criminals from getting weapons.
    “I swear-by my life and my love of it-that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine."-John Galt

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    Quote Originally Posted by exotix View Post
    That's why Bush invaded Iraq ... he told Condi Rice to horrify America with fables of Muslims hijacking boats, tankers, aircraft & flying saucers to cross 3,000 miles of oceans and invade us and nuke us ...
    I thought he invaded Iraq because Cheney told him to?
    You guys are a cult...~akphidelt2007

    Lol, a ban doesn't make guns magically disappear. Are you really this ignorant? ~ akphidelt2007

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agent_286 View Post
    We are a civilized country; it is time for us to start acting civilized...giving up our guns, ammunition, and finding a solid middle ground of agreement with Washington in solving this national paranoia that has cost so many lives and has gone on too long.
    Wrap your skull full of Leftist mush around this, Agent - law-abiding gun owners are civilized people. They don't need to throw themselves and their families to the wolves to make you and your ilk feel better about themselves.
    Socialism/Progressivism is Theft masquerading as Altruism. Surrender your freedom and your cash.

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    Quote Originally Posted by exotix View Post
    It's like Obama said ... outlawing Ak-47's and other weapons of battlfield-warfare militay grade hardware isn't gun-control ... however the NRA/Tea Party wil come back on this as communism and tyranny ...

    Civilian semi auto AR-15s and AK-47 don't exist on any battlefield past or present.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zosiasmom View Post
    I thought he invaded Iraq because Cheney told him to?
    A very smart lib told me Bush did it to make his oil buddies rich.

    But then again someone else said it was to avenge an attempted assignation attempt by Saddam on Bush's father.

    So many libs, so many choices...

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    Quote Originally Posted by exotix View Post
    That's why Bush invaded Iraq ... he told Condi Rice to horrify America with fables of Muslims hijacking boats, tankers, aircraft & flying saucers to cross 3,000 miles of oceans and invade us and nuke us ...
    For someone with very strong opinion about guns, you don't seem to know much about them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hate_bs View Post
    Civilian semi auto AR-15s and AK-47 don't exist on any battlefield past or present.
    What about (non-illegally modified semi to automatic) weaponary equipped with 100 round magazines ?
    Last edited by exotix; Jul 23 2012 at 09:58 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agent_286 View Post
    Why Gun Control Is Patriotic

    By Sanjay Sanghoee HuffPost | 07/22/2012 – 11:02 am
    Excerpts:

    “Let's start with the simple facts: a gunman, who is most likely insane, went to the front of a packed movie theater during a midnight screening of The Dark Knight Rises and opened fire on the crowd with assault weapons. A dozen people died and dozens other were injured and probably traumatized for life. A disgusting act that has shocked the nation, but who is to blame for what happened?

    The liberals would say that it is the NRA and the gun industry, who make it absurdly easy to secure assault weapons in the United States, including over the Internet.

    The conservatives in turn would say that it is not guns but people who do the killing. Literally speaking they are correct, but if the essence of what the conservatives claim is true, then the reason we have crazy massacres in this country is because Americans are a bunch of homicidal maniacs with no impulse control; and if that part is true, then should we really allow this same crackpot citizenry to carry firearms?

    You see the problem?

    The Second Amendment of our Constitution was meant to protect us from harm, but had the Founding Fathers known back then that the proliferation of guns would put us in harm's way today, I bet you anything they would have put safeguards in place to prevent abuse.

    The right to defend oneself makes sense but that should not encompass the right to own weapons of mass destruction, or to endanger the welfare of society. The belief that we need to stockpile guns of every kind to protect us from our own government is a sign of deep paranoia and madness.

    One thing that I do agree with conservatives on is that violence does not stem from any one factor alone, including guns. People do kill people (even if the easy availability of guns facilitates and possibly encourages the violence), and often the reasons are mental or emotional. There is a strong culture of aggression developing in America today which is pretty psychotic.

    You can see it when you accidentally bump into a stranger on the street, you can see it on the highway when someone explodes in road rage, you can see it in a bar when knife-fights break out over the smallest things, you can see it on the Internet when people start attacking each other in profanity-ridden tirades, you can see it on television shows that glorify mobsters and biker gangs, you can certainly see it in our political landscape, and you can even see it in 8-year-olds who exhibit large amounts of "attitude." Something is very wrong here.

    But whatever the contributing factors - guns, mental health, the effect of media violence, or something else - a nation of heavily armed citizens is definitely not the answer.

    I know Americans (or least some of them) love their guns and I also understand that they like the idea of being able to keep a weapon for self-protection or hunting...But once again, there is a huge difference between owning a single handgun to protect your home or a rifle to hunt and owning a dozen high-powered assault weapons with high-capacity clips.

    Those are guns used to kill large numbers of people in short periods of time, so what possible rationale is there for private citizens to own them? There is none, and the Second Amendment was not meant to justify such a thing. In fact, the NRA's support of this shows just how perverted they are and betrays their true agenda, which is to protect the sales of their financial patrons - the gun manufacturers.

    Sure, not every incident of violence can be averted and there are always unforeseen factors that play into these things, but when you see a pattern emerging, you cannot just stand back and do nothing.

    It is a fact that we have serious problems in our society, from mental illness and sociopathy to a violent culture, and those are all things that we need to address without delay, but when you combine those problems with weapons of mass murder, you get a lethal cocktail of destruction. Restricting the availability of guns will not alone get rid of mayhem, but it will at least give us some breathing room to address the root psychological causes of violence.

    The deaths of innocent people should never be a political issue or even an ideological one, but it is a human issue and as such, demands our open-minded consideration of the factors that contribute to it - even if the conclusions we reach challenge our personal beliefs and make us uncomfortable.

    Just because you believe in the right to bear arms does not mean that you have to follow the NRA's playbook or that you cannot support sensible gun laws. The Second Amendment was designed to ensure our safety, but the way it is interpreted by the gun lobbies endangers our safety instead. As a patriotic American, does that sound right to you?”

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sanjay...p_ref=politics
    ......

    Everything that Sanjay has said is true, in my opinion, and shows us the problems we have with guns, an erratic society, and how the majority of citizens are not adequately protected against the crazies that are armed to the teeth via gun stores, internet, and black market sources, and threaten our safety, that of our families, and society.

    Sanjay is correct when he says that the aggressive climate in America today when combined with an anti-social person owning guns there will be an eruption of all three at some given time with the resulting deaths and injuries to innocent bystanders.

    We need to hound our Congressmen to pass stringent laws NOW concerning firearms, to greatly restrict the sale of guns, record every transaction, give a time schedule for handing in licensed and unlicensed guns, and for our nation to start the healing process from yet another major massacre.

    We are a civilized country; it is time for us to start acting civilized...giving up our guns, ammunition, and finding a solid middle ground of agreement with Washington in solving this national paranoia that has cost so many lives and has gone on too long.
    The NRA does not care about the 2nd amendment. Keep drinking the leftwing establishment media Kool Aid

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    I heard somewhere on the news that in movie theaters in CO, you cannot carry a weapon even if you have a concealed weapon permit.

    This means that it tells criminals ahead of time that there won't be anyone with a weapon to shoot at you if you open fire on the public.

    That is just stupid.
    “I swear-by my life and my love of it-that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine."-John Galt

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