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Thumbs up Kudos to Sen Jim Demint!!

"Reaction has been swift and strong to the decision we told you about Thursday by the city of Berkeley, California — to declare Marine Corps recruiters "uninvited and unwelcome guests."

Republican Senator Jim Demint is drafting legislation to strip Berkeley of all its federal earmarks in the current budget — about $2 million worth.

Demint says — "The First Amendment gives the City of Berkeley the right to be idiotic, but from now on they should do it with their own money."

An official in the office of Marine Commandant General James Conway says there are no plans to move the recruiting office out of Berkeley."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,327765,00.html
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Thats really good news.
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Can't shut off the faucet to the imperial army. Need a steady follow of foot solders to do the job politicians and businessmen won't.

What a sham.
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You're all high and mighty because you sit in the comfort you love bought by the sweat of those you despise...thus letting everyone see that you're really nothing but a fool


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I wonder if Berkeley is on planet Earth. Can't they conceive of what would happen to them if there was no military?
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You're being very presumptuous about my character, and I do not appreciate it. I am highly offended by reactionary propaganda campaigns regardless if their originators are military members, liberal professors, conservative entrepreneurs, Scientologists, or MADD. Any government-sponsored group should, with good faith, be behind a counter-force in an education setting. Unfortunately all universities that I know of, including Berkley, are more interested in upholding traditional teacher-pupil relationships than opening up the free exchange of ideas and dialog.

My frustrations are targeted at the political and leadership wing of the military; there is a world of difference between those who fight the wars and those who manage them. Having been raised in a community full of military personnel, I can't help having deep respect for military personnel, and a lot of times pity for this country when it misuses these brave souls. Juster campaigns can be sought. Some of the best people in my life have been soldiers; Marines, more specifically.

I likewise object to the false accusation of deeming myself "high and mighty." To borrow a quote from a very honorable labor leader, "Your Honor, years ago I recognized my kinship with all living beings, and I made up my mind that I was not one bit better than the meanest on earth."

If debating these days comes down to attacking the other person for simply disagreeing I hope the future generations do better. Hopefully next time you won't be so cruel as to accuse me of hating my friends and family.
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Hopefully next time you won't be so cruel as to accuse me of hating my friends and family.
But Gene, YOU were the one who diminished your own friends and family by calling them (in your earlier post) an "Imperial Army." Do you honestly believe the United States is actively engaged in Imperialism?

Did they not serve honorably as a volunteer?

Or is it that you view them as dupes of the Imperialist state?
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I was responding to the tone of your post as well as the issue at the same time....
I should have made that more specific as I was thinking at the time you may take it wrong as being aimed soley at you when it was not...totally

Otherwise don't be so sensitive.

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Do you honestly believe the United States is actively engaged in Imperialism?
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But Gene, YOU were the one who diminished your own friends and family by calling them (in your earlier post) an "Imperial Army."
I criticized the army; not the soldiers. An analogy could be made of someone denouncing Microsoft as a monopolistic devil. Is that critic attacking the corporation or the workers?

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Some served honorably; some served courageously; some served for the money and the fame.

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Or is it that you view them as dupes of the Imperialist state?
For the most part I think soldiers are duped into enlisting by jingoism and false promises, but I respect their idealism. Then again I view most voters as being duped when they take 30-second media sound bytes seriously so I wouldn't take that as a negative criticism - just realism.
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Ha ha - on behalf of the City of Berkeley, I have two things to say to that weasel DeMint:

a) what federal money??? You federal clowns still owe the city of Berkeley six and a half million dollars, that you haven't even paid yet!!!

b) you can take that 2 million, and stuff it right where the sun don't shine. We don't need your stinkin' money! We'll do without you federal weasels! We're don' just fine, and we'll thank you to keep your grubby little noses out of our politics!!!

c) You wanna use our city for ideological indoctrination? Fine. You convince our city officials that it's in the best interests of the People of the United States, and then we can talk. Till then, go take a flyin' leap at the moon. We're not interested in your perceptions.

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