I'm looking to provoke a reaction so here goes....

There is no gun control. Kids can act out fantasies with bullets. The constitutional argument has this country in political paralysis. Contemporary American pride in the right to bear arms is based on insecurity and ignorance. General availability of firearms is nothing short of idiotic. What am I missing?
Let me have it...

Simple.

Show me a gun that commits the crime by itself.
An inanimate object should not be used to excuse or make excuses for the acts of anyone.


Kennedy's made thier fortune running booze...guess what happens igf you ban guns...

Right now gun running is a very profitable business..from running them into states with bans etc to running them out of the USA(ie weapon used in crime sold off in Mexico). Biker gangs like this business.
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Ban them you make it that much more profitable you have a population that will not co-operate.

Last but not least its asinine to give up what is really the most powerful and profound Right we possess becaseu of how its misused at times by morons.

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This is an utterly bad logic. Sorry.

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Show me a spoon of drugs that commits a crime by itself, show me a vial of poison, show me a molecule of a fatal disease...... I could go on all night. What makes guns a protected class? It comes down to a collective standard of right or wrong. You have a responsibility to think beyond enjoying the gun.

No, actually it's based upon the basic freedom of each citizen to protect his person, family and property from the aggressions of another. It is also based upon the premise that, upon enlistment in the military, the conscript is sufficiently armed (although that concept died out by the turn of the century).

Your missing all the studies that have proven that in regions that have "conceal & carry" laws, violent crimes have been reduced. Speaking from personal observation, this has been effective in Missouri, since our laws came into effect.

The answer isn't less guns. It's MORE guns.
Regardless of what you think, criminals are going to get guns. They will whether guns are legal or not.
The question is: Do you want a society full of "prey?"

Just look at this school shooting in Illinois...
The very second, this wacko started popping caps, any one of those students could have whipped out a firearm, and dropped him.
But no...he had a whole campus full of prey, because of stupid rules banning guns on the campus. Do you think he cared about that rule? Did it stop him?

It's your choice. The predator has 50 bullets...
1. Do you want 50 helpless victims of this jackhole?
2. Do you want perhaps maybe a couple, and then someone wastes this creep?

Me? I go to college, and yes...I do bring my smallest pistol, regardless of the rules. Why? If I ever need it, I'd rather go to jail, than go in the ground.

Just about everything - and you dare to call others ignorant?

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You sound like some people in my neighborhood on an issue we're dealing with right now. We have a neighborhood problem where about 5% of the residents speed. And surprisingly, some are looking at our "roads" as the cause of the problem.

Yeah, right. "Those roads make me speed." Or...."Those guns make me kill."

What kind of logic is this???????? Liberal logic.

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Gun control and common sense don't even belong in the same language. I guess we call that progress, but when I was young kids shot spit wads, no they shoot each other. I guess wars are more profitable though, no money in protecting our children.

Binning guns increases crime.




Handgun crime 'up' despite ban


A new study suggests the use of handguns in crime rose by 40% in the two years after the weapons were banned.
The research, commissioned by the Countryside Alliance's Campaign for Shooting, has concluded that existing laws are targeting legitimate users of firearms rather than criminals.

The ban on ownership of handguns was introduced in 1997 as a result of the Dunblane massacre, when Thomas Hamilton opened fire at a primary school leaving 16 children and their teacher dead.


But the report suggests that despite the restrictions on ownership the use of handguns in crime is rising.

The Centre for Defence Studies at Kings College in London, which carried out the research, said the number of crimes in which a handgun was reported increased from 2,648 in 1997/98 to 3,685 in 1999/2000.

It also said there was no link between high levels of gun crime and areas where there were still high levels of lawful gun possession.

Of the 20 police areas with the lowest number of legally held firearms, 10 had an above average level of gun crime.

And of the 20 police areas with the highest levels of legally held guns only two had armed crime levels above the average.

Smuggling

The campaign's director, David Bredin, said: "It is crystal clear from the research that the existing gun laws do not lead to crime reduction and a safer place.

"Policy makers have targeted the legitimate sporting and farming communities with ever-tighter laws but the research clearly demonstrates that it is illegal guns which are the real threat to public safety."

He said the rise was largely down to successful smuggling of illegal guns into the country.

Weapons have even been disguised as key rings no larger than a matchbox to get them in, he said.

Other sources of guns include battlefield trophies brought back by soldiers, the illegal conversion of replica firearms including blank firing pistols and the reactivation of weapons which had been deactivated.

Ammunition

Examples of illegally manufactured guns include screwdrivers being adapted to fire off one round, he said.

The Metropolitan Police said its official figures showed a 20% drop in armed robberies of commercial premises between April and July this year, compared with the same period last year.

A Scotland Yard spokesman said that, since April 2001, the Flying Squad has arrested 39 people in connection with 34 armed incidents and seized 52 weapons.

Operation Trident, which investigates "black on black" shootings in the UK, has made more than 300 arrests, recovered 100 firearms and 1,500 rounds of ammunition since it was established a year ago.

The Home Office said measures were being taken to tackle handgun crime, including an intensified effort against illegally smuggled weapons.

I live in California, where it is near impossible to get a conceal carry permit, I pack for the same reason, being charged with possessing a firearm is more appealing than being killed by the bad guys. I give the authorities no reason to search me, I don't speed, or drive crazy, I don't drink, and I obey the law (other than carrying a firearm), so my odds of getting in trouble from concealing a firearm are extremely low.

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