http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/02/...ing/index.html

Here is McCain defending us being in Iraq for 100 years.

First, speaking of being unspecific, who will be commiting this "genocide". There has already been tons of killing. Sectarian violence. Insurgant violence. So we certainly have not prevented the killing. And if we leave, who is goin gto start killing that is not already?

Second.. Let me get this strait...

We can't leave because a few fanatical muslim hillbillies are going to "claim" they beat us... That is right, McCains position is that the country needs to spend hundreds of billions of dollars and sacrafice more lives because he doesn't want a few morons to call us names.

Hey how about this one, WE claim victory and who give a (*)(*)(*)(*) what Al Qaeda says.

thousands of years, hell they love it! Just think "W" and his pinheads had the victory party planned for three days after the initial strike, probably their wives had already bought their new oufits, "W" had a new flight jacket and the whole works. Here is a link for the uniformed posters (hint hint) http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/co...0/cr111500.htm

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I don't give a crap if it has been done that way for 10,50 200 years, that doesn't mean that it is the best way to do it.

He talks sense.

"Setting a deadline for withdrawal is setting a date for failure, and that would be irresponsible."

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http://www.skoda-forum.com/

one either side of the political spectrum this would not even be an issue, and that is SAD>

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I don't give a crap if it has been done that way for 10,50 200 years, that doesn't mean that it is the best way to do it.

How exactly do you withdraw without setting a date for withdrawal?

Do you just fly all our troops away one night without telling anybody?

We have been in Germany for 63 years.
South Korea for the same.
Kuwait for 17 years.
etc etc...



McCains point is sensible, rational, REALISTIC.
Takes a fool to not understand it especially intentionally.
Takes a Democrat to preach surrender is success...








BTW anyone seen this crowds timetable for Afghanistan..you haven't.....gosh what a shock!


Whatever the overall message of this crowd to any enemy this nation may face is just hang on we will run away after a certain time limit. "We've proven it time and time again." they will proclaim wiht their actions...
Know what that means?..it means the USA will never ever win a war again.
Keep that in mind when your sending people to wars in the future with your lies of support.

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"We make war that we may live in peace"
"...peace is the highest aspiration of the American People. We will negotiate for it, sacrifice for it, we will never surrender for it, now or ever."
"War critics can no longer credibly argue that we are losing in Iraq, so now they argue the war costs too much."
"Oderint dum metuant"
http://members.cox.net/neddy/bobhope_kerfuffles.wmv
http://youtube.com/watch?v=RnfflRNpwKA
http://youtube.com/watch?v=j-QYIP7o2-A

Yes I hope we do not run out on our allies adn instead have a logn lasting alliance with a Dmeocratic Iraq including having everything such an alliance brings in co-operation militarialy and in general.





Throw that away for nothing and you all frankly deserve the victory you gave the enemy and all the death/war/horror globally you will gain from it.

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"We make war that we may live in peace"
"...peace is the highest aspiration of the American People. We will negotiate for it, sacrifice for it, we will never surrender for it, now or ever."
"War critics can no longer credibly argue that we are losing in Iraq, so now they argue the war costs too much."
"Oderint dum metuant"
http://members.cox.net/neddy/bobhope_kerfuffles.wmv
http://youtube.com/watch?v=RnfflRNpwKA
http://youtube.com/watch?v=j-QYIP7o2-A

So who will be commiting genocide in Iraq? skipped that.

And then there is the typical spineless republican cowardess of fear, fear, please protect me oh mighty government, The bad men are after me. I will sacrafice my freedom, my rights, my childrens money and other peoples live, because I am so scared...

Globally... huh.. so which enemy in Iraq are you talking about.. you know, which death/war/horror globally is going to come from Iraq if we leave... specifically. Not some vague, McCain like, it will all be blood and death...

Do you claim that Al Qaeda will take over the country, create a fundamentalist regime and launch terrorist attacks from Iraq, is that what you are claiming... if not, what are you saying?

Genocide would be one of the three groups taking out one of the other. I'm thinking the smart money would be on the Shiites. Kurds are probably a longshot.

Al Qaeda would probably like to take over the country. But with the Shiite population I think Iran might beat them to it. At least setting up a puppet state.

However I think it's a fair question "can these psychos actually live peacably together?" Well I think the kurds might. Or if they don't they'd be making trouble for Turkey in the hopes of making Kurdistan.

Sunni and Shiite might be able to manage if they aren't intermingled too much. I think the jury is still out on that.

But they won't if we don't give them a chance. And if we don't maintain some presence they'll probably collapse to another state.

The desire is to get the presence there reduced to the sort of situation we now have in Germany.

So it's basically a pissing contest why we're still there? "They'll say they beat us" sounds like someone needs to grow up, and I thought we didn't care what the terrorists thought about us anyway?