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    This is pathetic. Some people in Louisiana want to secede from the Union, so they are signing this petition where they beg the Obama administration to allow them to peacefully withdraw from the Union. This is how you affirm that you are owned, that you exist at the pleasure of your owner, that you are not sovereign, that you are subservient to the institution which, incidentally, derives its power from you, that your owner must have the power to grant you your stupid petition.

    If you want to secede, you don't beg the government to grant you permission, you simply inform them that you have seceded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maximatic View Post
    If you want to secede, you don't beg the government to grant you permission, you simply inform them that you have seceded.
    That is not an option per constitutional law and would be met with armed resistance.
    Last edited by Wolf Ritter; Nov 11 2012 at 10:25 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolf Ritter View Post
    That is not an option per constitutional law and would be met with armed resistance.
    So the general government would attack the citizens of Louisiana, if they no longer want to be a member of its club. You understand that that's tyrannical, barbaric, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maximatic View Post
    This is pathetic. Some people in Louisiana want to secede from the Union, so they are signing this petition where they beg the Obama administration to allow them to peacefully withdraw from the Union. This is how you affirm that you are owned, that you exist at the pleasure of your owner, that you are not sovereign, that you are subservient to the institution which, incidentally, derives its power from you, that your owner must have the power to grant you your stupid petition.

    If you want to secede, you don't beg the government to grant you permission, you simply inform them that you have seceded.
    Um, that didn't work out very well the last time.

    It also wouldn't be in Louisiana's best interests. They are one of the biggest welfare queens as a state.

    Now, if NJ wanted to secede, they would come out ahead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maximatic View Post
    This is pathetic. Some people in Louisiana want to secede from the Union, so they are signing this petition where they beg the Obama administration to allow them to peacefully withdraw from the Union. This is how you affirm that you are owned, that you exist at the pleasure of your owner, that you are not sovereign, that you are subservient to the institution which, incidentally, derives its power from you, that your owner must have the power to grant you your stupid petition.

    If you want to secede, you don't beg the government to grant you permission, you simply inform them that you have seceded.
    Sure let them succeed from the union; then when another Katrina or natural disaster hits them who's gonna bail them out? Or if the Mexican's decide to invade their swamps? Louisiana receives more in Federal Aid then they pay into the system. Those who want to secede from the US should stop their whining and get over the election loss.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maximatic View Post
    So the general government would attack the citizens of Louisiana, if they no longer want to be a member of its club. You understand that that's tyrannical, barbaric, right?
    Yes, we've done it before. That land does not belong to them, it belongs to the Nation as a whole and therefore they would be stealing it if they try to take it from us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maximatic View Post
    This is pathetic. Some people in Louisiana want to secede from the Union, so they are signing this petition where they beg the Obama administration to allow them to peacefully withdraw from the Union. This is how you affirm that you are owned, that you exist at the pleasure of your owner, that you are not sovereign, that you are subservient to the institution which, incidentally, derives its power from you, that your owner must have the power to grant you your stupid petition.

    If you want to secede, you don't beg the government to grant you permission, you simply inform them that you have seceded.

    Nobody is seceding, it will not happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Serfin' USA View Post
    Um, that didn't work out very well the last time.

    It also wouldn't be in Louisiana's best interests. They are one of the biggest welfare queens as a state.

    Now, if NJ wanted to secede, they would come out ahead.
    I know. There's also the issue that it hasn't been shown that the state (whatever that is) wants to secede. The petition was created by some doctor, and so far, it only has about 15,000 signatures. My point is that this stunt, unless it is intended to show that the the federal government will use force to keep all its states as members (which we already know), or that many people in Louisiana are very displeased with the Obama administration (which we already know), is counterproductive. All they are doing is reminding everyone of who is in charge. And the way they are doing it fails to address the bigger problem. This was scratched by Wolf Ritter. The "law" that Louisiana would be violating is just something written down that says "this thing that is being written is the supreme law of the land", and it was agreed to by some men who are now all dead. Yet it will be enforced violently on people who have not agreed to it, moreover that they explicitly disagree with it. And that law is supposed to be binding on both parties, but the party that it is designed to bind the most (the Federal Government) fails, on multiple counts to uphold its end of the "agreement". In the end it is not law (whatever that is) that rules these people and states. It is capricious force.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maximatic View Post
    So the general government would attack the citizens of Louisiana, if they no longer want to be a member of its club. You understand that that's tyrannical, barbaric, right?
    The territory of Louisiana assented to be governed by the laws of the US and it's states of it's own free will, the Union is perpetual, period. Barbarism would be denying you the right of movement, you can leave America any time you want, but Louisiana is part of America until such time as the government of America decides to enact a law to allow it to secede or expels it itself.
    Last edited by Wolf Ritter; Nov 11 2012 at 11:23 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maximatic View Post
    I know. There's also the issue that it hasn't been shown that the state (whatever that is) wants to secede. The petition was created by some doctor, and so far, it only has about 15,000 signatures. My point is that this stunt, unless it is intended to show that the the federal government will use force to keep all its states as members (which we already know), or that many people in Louisiana are very displeased with the Obama administration (which we already know), is counterproductive. All they are doing is reminding everyone of who is in charge. And the way they are doing it fails to address the bigger problem. This was scratched by Wolf Ritter. The "law" that Louisiana would be violating is just something written down that says "this thing that is being written is the supreme law of the land", and it was agreed to by some men who are now all dead. Yet it will be enforced violently on people who have not agreed to it, moreover that they explicitly disagree with it. And that law is supposed to be binding on both parties, but the party that it is designed to bind the most (the Federal Government) fails, on multiple counts to uphold its end of the "agreement". In the end it is not law (whatever that is) that rules these people and states. It is capricious force.
    Well, there are a lot of practical concerns involved here. We discussed this in the "Should Government Exist" thread.

    One of the facts of life is that just about every nation has laws against secession. At the very most, some regions are given autonomous rule (like the situation with Mindanao), but that typically only comes after a lot of conflict.

    Even so, regions granted autonomous rule still have to contend with whatever government forms in the aftermath.
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