http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exer...4C323A777F.htm

It claims a group counted 37,000 civilian casualties. You know, all the innocent men, woman and children that are the "collateral damage" from a pre-emptive war against an enemy that never attacked us.

Of course other sources put the count at a mere 11,300 to 13,300
http://www.iraqbodycount.net/

And neither of these sites are including the Iraqi military deaths.

Throw in the 1,035 Coalition casualties and you have tens of thousands dead for a war based upon information that was said but not true. (i.e. lies)

Now I would cite official US numbers, but somehow our government doesn't seem to care enough about the people we kill to even count them.

Bob Fisk's article today still uses the 11,000 number.

neither figure highlights the 'cakewalk' the war was supposed to be

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So, you're saying that most Iraqi's would love to have Saddam and his two sons back in power, eh? That's strange.....last poll I saw it was something like 79% saying they were glad he's gone and that for the first time in their lives they at least have hope for their futures.

Just look at all the people in Kosovo who got murdered and slaughtered once we decided to start bombing. The Serbs killed more people "under the cover" of our bombs. So......was that our fault? Should we have not bombed? Strange that I didn't hear anyone blaming Clinton for that. Do you think most of the Albanians would like Milosovich back.....in lieu of having all those people die?

I think the Iraqis would like to be left in peace, and not in the peace of the next world!

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What gets me is that the number of American Soldier suicides is seldom mentioned.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/...in596755.shtml

Does anyone have any more information on this topic? I saw on the news that the number of coalition soldier suicides in Iraq is greater then any other war but have yet to see the 'official numbers'.

I would be interested if anyone knows anything about this.

I can give you a list of a good 100 countries that the people would prefer a new leader.

Should we attack them all? If your anser is no, then you are inconsistant at best. According to your arguement we should.

I'm sorry but I don't agree with the policy of using military force and killing tens of thousands for nation building exercises by this country. That is not the point of the military in my mind.

My answer is NO....we should not attack them all. As you know.....we didn't just pick Saddam out and say...."let's go unseat this brutal dictator?" We had a history with him. We had unfinished business. Saddam didn't fulfill the terms of the ceasefire of the first Gulf War.

Unlike the 'NO HISTORY' we had with Kosovo...and Milosovich. So, I did not support what we did in Kosovo. So, I am very consistent in my belief that what we do should be of some national interest to the U.S.

So, does this mean that YOU did NOT support what we did in Kosovo? To be consistent with what YOU said above, the answer would have to be "No" as well.

Thank you for posting that article, Hand driver. That was an very interesting read, to say the least. I wonder if the numbers are that high? It would make sense, as Foreign news agencies such as CNN, tend to acknowledge only the immediate deaths in stories such as these (not the individuals who die weeks afterwards). Its not a partisan thing, as it happened with the bombing in El Shifa, Sudan (pharmaceutical plant) under Clinton's reign.

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Are you suggestion that YOU know what the majority of Iraqi people think, and/or want???

Because as far as that poll goes - just start searching the web and where you'll find polls that say that the Iraqi people are for the dismantling of Saddam's regime, I could find just as many that say the majority of Iraqi people wish he was back in power.

Not too mention, wasn't the original reason for the US invasion into Iraq was to find WMD??? I think it took a few months before Iraqi people were of any concern to the Commander in Chief - so the fact that they died for 'volatile' reason is a little cause for concern.

That just doesn't pass the smell test, PC. NO one wants a dictator in power who does what Saddam did to them. Did you happen to see that story on one of the newsprograms just after we liberated Iraq....about the man who had hidden out in a hole under the floor of some little home? It showed his "accomodations".....barely enough to stand up in and move around in. He had hidden out there for years from Saddam Hussein and his brutal sons. That's just one story. There were thousands of stories about how Saddam had brutalized his people. Saddam's son had teachers pick out the prettiest little girls for his week-end enjoyment. Children were tortured in front of their parents to get parents to do what they wanted them to. People's tongues were cut out. People's hands were chopped off. I know....because in my state 4 of those Iraqi men were brought over here to a hospital in Houston where they were fitted with prothetis hands...all at American citizens' expense. Men were pushed off 3 story buildings with their hands tied behind their backs. (We've seen those videos).

The Iraqi's have a chance now for a better life.

Warped Reasoning!! Milosevic was a DICTATOR. But you did not support Clinton in Kosovo. Saddam was dictator. But you support Bush in IRAQ.

Your reasoning is not flawed: Its "hopelessly" shameful..