I wonder which mythical group of experts McCain is sourcing to claim a "gloom and doom" prediction that al Qaeda will take over the country if troops leave (Karl Rove?), not to mention this is a gross distortion of the Obama plan.

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/pdf/IraqFactSheet.pdf

I find the next statement quite ironic, given the above:

McCain seems a little gloomy and doomy for one who's always claiming success. One thing I like about Obama is that he tells it like it is. I felt Kerry pulled punches too often.

Now that's a little straight talk, Johnny.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080227/...ain_obama_iraq

If McCain's dark fantasy that al Qaeda is on the verge of taking over Iraq were true, that would reinforce the notion that the Iraq war is a huge quagmire that never should have been started in the first place.

I think McCain knows he's full of it but he also knows that these fear tactics have worked in the past (2004). Will they work again?

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Budget deficit inherited by Obama: $1,667 billion (CBO projection, 3/2009)

So....Obama admits that al quaeda is in Iraq and you think it's impossible that they would gain more power if we pull out? You don't believe Obama or McCain? Tell me, then what is the current situation regarding al quaeda in Iraq?

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Keep in mind that al-Qaeda followed us, so when we leave their reason for being there leaves too.

Obama has repeatedly said that he would step-up efforts against al-Qaeda. This means that after we withdrew from Iraq we would continue to seek out al-Qaeda. So if they are still in Iraq, we will strike against them there. There will just be no Americans patrolling the streets. It will be more like a covert operations with elite troops like Rangers, Seals, Delta etc. and air strikes. The strikes would be more geared towards intelligence and less towards patrols.

I don't think that they would stay in Iraq because we will still clearly have a presence there.

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why would anyone take mccains word for it when he was wrong in the first place? you guys jump to these conclusions all the time, yet you seem to forget that youve been jumping to erroneous conclusions consistently for the last 8 years. how do you guys manage to pretend youre in any way qualified to say what is best for our country and keep a straight face? thats the question.

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So you appeasers fear John McCain, but you don't fear al qaeda?

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http://politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=27847

John McCain wiped the floor with Obama's stupid comments.


http://embeds.blogs.foxnews.com/2008...icy-surrender/

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youre the appeaser of failure. no one fears mccain.

stupid comments? you mean the reality of the iraq war? i suppose the truth is pretty stupid when you dont want to look like an idiot for supporting failure this whole time.

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Obama needs to say something different. From what I understand there isn't any kind of established AQ network in Iraq, rather some insurgents have taken to calling themselves AQ in Iraq. It isn't the same thing at all.

Contradictory?

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Some people are soooo naive if they think al Qaeda will simply leave and give up if we just pull out of Iraq. That is EXACTLY what they'd like us to do. The Democrat plan is Al Qaeda's plan; they are ONE IN THE SAME. In fact, I am sure Al Qaeda's leaders are pulling for Democrats to win the presidency, the House, and the Senate here in our country. That way, they can go back to unfettered discussions and planning on the phones and internet; and they can go back to the wall between law enforcement and intelligence that was present during the 1990's. The fact that we've had NOT ONE terrorist attack on our home soil since 9/11/2001 is NOT the result of just pure luck. It's because of the Patriot ACT; the NSA Surveillance Program, and the Protect America Act, and the ACTIONS of THIS administration. ALL of which BOTH Democrat candidates say they will weaken or do away with.

NO; we are NOT going backwards.

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