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    Quote Originally Posted by Shiva_TD View Post
    Their psycological problems are predominately a result of social rejection and oppression. How many "Christians" have openly condemned homosexuality on this forum for example calling it abhorent behavior instead of simply accepting it as a personal choice? Homosexuals in America face severe oppression and discrimination overall so of course they develop mental issues related to themself. Remember that "most" (I tend to assume) Americans are trying to lay guilt trips on homosexuals and that does have a negative affect on them. Why can't people just accept others for who they are without judgments based upon bigotry?
    I don't see many here condemning homosexuals, what I see are pro-gay marriage people calling anyone who disagrees with them 'homophobes' and 'racists' because someone else has an opposite opinion.

    Mental health professional don't make a moral judgment and don't support either over the other. They deal with the person regardless of whether they are a homosexual or heterosexual person. We see this distortion of the truth in another situation where many that oppose same-sex marriage say that the gays and lesbians want "special rights" when, in fact, they merely want the identical rights afforded to opposite-sex coupled. They're not asking for preferential treatment but instead are demanding the same treatment that opposite-sex couples have.
    Well then they (the APA) are just ignorant and stupid to think you can separate psychological gender identity from physiological gender identity. Homosexuals are either physiological male or female gender. There is no prohibition of them marrying a person of the opposite sex and having State recognition of that bond. The institution of marriage has never recognized psychological gender. This is not about human rights it is about up ending the institution of marriage just to satisfy a special interest.

    This sort of hinges on what definition of "aberrant" is being used. If it's limited to a deviation from the norm then it's acceptable but if it implies something that "isn't right" (also a definition of aberrant) then it is insulting and false. There is nothing "wrong" with homosexuality although it is different than the norm and only represents a small minority of individuals.
    I have always said homosexuality was 'aberrant' but have been accused of meaning 'abhorrent' by the intellectually challenged, hair-triggered tempered pro-homosexual marriage crowd here on the Forum.

    The decision of the school board only addresses that very small minority of cases. It doesn't address a student that merely has homosexual tendencies.

    There have been some religious organizations that believe they can "reprogram" a homosexual person because they believe that homosexuality is morally wrong. They attempt to brainwash the individual into also believing that their homosexuality is morally wrong (creating a huge guilt trip for the person) and these "programs" have generally been disasterous for the person subjected to them. Many later commit suicide after living in extreme psycological conflict for years after this intensive brainwashing. These programs are often referred to as reparative therapies or sometimes called gay conversion therapies.
    Part of the problem is that anyone who disagrees with homosexuals upending the tradition of marriage is automatically called 'homophobe' or said to be trying to make some kind of immoral judgement.

    Because of the severe adverse effects often resulting in the programs California outlawed them for teens in 2012. Parents can no longer force their teenage children into these programs as they are considered to be a form of child abuse.

    http://cnnradio.cnn.com/2012/10/02/f...in-california/
    From your link...quoting the APA...

    "Although much research has examined the possible genetic, hormonal, developmental, social, and cultural influences on sexual orientation, there are no findings that permit scientists to conclude that sexual orientation is determined by any particular factor or factors."

    That statement is insane on the face of it. A female (for instance) is female because of her endocrine system, glands and also there is a difference between female and male brains.

    You have failed to address my main point which is the theory that sexual gender identification is not an absolute accept in cases of outliers and can be changed by outside biased influences.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sec View Post
    oh good grief

    since the inception of the earth it has always gone through cyclical climate changes. We all have learned about the ice age and subsequent warm period.

    I do not think anyone would dare say the climate does not go through natural cycles.

    Now, back on topic. I agree that it is a cult where they are willing to mutilate a person instead of treating the psychological disorder


    Here again we speak in absolutes when there are none. I think a scant minority are actually born with a physiological disorder that dilutes their gender to such a degree that they are incapable of living as their body parts would suggest. That being said, there is a whole majority that fall somewhere in-between male and female. the overwhelming majority are congruent in their psychological/physiological sexual bias (heterosexual) but, for those that are a bit more ambiguous, outside influences can affect their sexuality so strongly that they can go against their physiological attributes.
    Thus, it is deleterious to promote homosexuality as the APA does.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RPA1 View Post
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    Here again we speak in absolutes when there are none. I think a scant minority are actually born with a physiological disorder that dilutes their gender to such a degree that they are incapable of living as their body parts would suggest. That being said, there is a whole majority that fall somewhere in-between male and female. the overwhelming majority are congruent in their psychological/physiological sexual bias (heterosexual) but, for those that are a bit more ambiguous, outside influences can affect their sexuality so strongly that they can go against their physiological attributes.
    Thus, it is deleterious to promote homosexuality as the APA does.

    then if it is not a psychological disorder why should we care what the APA says or use them as valid sources?

    If it is in fact needed for the APA to get involved, then there should be psychological treatments

    they can't have it both ways
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    Once again liberals want to change all the rules to accomidate a super low number of individuals. If some kid has a gender issue, they should be allowed to use the teacher's bathroom. Done. Rights aren't being violated and we won't be discussing what a girl is and what a boy is when a vast majority of kindergarteners on up, know what they are and what the difference is.

    Use some common sense!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sec View Post
    then if it is not a psychological disorder why should we care what the APA says or use them as valid sources?

    If it is in fact needed for the APA to get involved, then there should be psychological treatments

    they can't have it both ways
    The APA says psychological gender is more important than physiological gender. To me, that is an insane statement. I would not trust any mental health professional that ascribed to that because, (as I already posted) physiological gender and psychological gender must be intertwined based on the fact that the endocrine system and hormonal flow can affect the brain and visa versa and that effect probably varies with the individual. Hormones have a profound effect on the human psyche which can result in new neural brain connections. Therefore, it follows that homosexuality could be induced by an outside, biased party. So far, no one here has even addressed that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Indymom View Post
    Once again liberals want to change all the rules to accomidate a super low number of individuals. If some kid has a gender issue, they should be allowed to use the teacher's bathroom. Done. Rights aren't being violated and we won't be discussing what a girl is and what a boy is when a vast majority of kindergarteners on up, know what they are and what the difference is.

    Use some common sense!!

    I dunno Indymom, they'd start wailing about the gay kid having to use the teachers bathroom and, I think we SHOULD discuss what constitutes a boy and what constitutes a girl, apparently we have all but forgotten in this liberal, progressive society.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RPA1 View Post
    The two are NOT equal. Homosexuality only represents 2% of of the population, homosexuals cannot procreate with each other, homosexuals are living in opposition of their natural-born physiological gender, heterosexuals are not.
    This is like saying that gold isn't as good as silver because we have roughly 50-times as much silver as gold.

    BTW the percentage of opposite-sex couples that marry and are incapable of procreation exceeds the 2% of possible same-sex couples that would marry. We have more old age marriages alone where the couples cannot procreate than all of the 2% of possible same-sex marriages.

    The "procreation" argument for marriage has been presented twice in the Prop 8 case and was rejected in both cases as marriage does not require procreation.

    Quote Originally Posted by RPA1 View Post
    There is no violation of either due process or Equal Protection in banning gays from marriage because any man and any woman can have a State recognized marriage as long as they marry a person of the opposite sex which is a long-established societal and legal precedence. What Walker did was to grant special rights to one group (Homosexuals) to take over the institution of another (Heterosexuals).

    BTW the 9th circuit Court has been historically mostly liberal and Judge Vaughn Walker (who overturned Prop 8 ) is GAY which the 9-circut Court said was not a problem. That's just B.S. His decision is scheduled for review June 2013.
    As noted the 9th District Court of Appeals reviewed the Prop 8 decision and determined that there was no bias in Walker's decision. That Appeals Court decision is not scheduled for review by the Supreme Court.

    The Supreme Court is also going to hear the DOMA case where the most conservative Federal Appeals Court in the nation (the 2nd District Court of Appeals) ruled unanimously that DOMA violated the 10th Amendment and the 14th Amendment.

    It is highly anticipated that Prop 8 and DOMA Section 3 are going to be overturned by the Supreme Court and probably by a unanimous decision in both cases similiar to the Loving v Virginia case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shiva_TD View Post
    This is like saying that gold isn't as good as silver because we have roughly 50-times as much silver as gold.
    The discussion is not about precious metals, you are pettifogging.

    BTW the percentage of opposite-sex couples that marry and are incapable of procreation exceeds the 2% of possible same-sex couples that would marry. We have more old age marriages alone where the couples cannot procreate than all of the 2% of possible same-sex marriages.
    The percentage of men that can impregnate another man is 0%. You are comparing apples and oranges.

    The "procreation" argument for marriage has been presented twice in the Prop 8 case and was rejected in both cases as marriage does not require procreation.
    Procreation is normal and typical for the vast majority married heterosexual couples and has always been part and parcel of the understanding of the institution of marriage.

    As noted the 9th District Court of Appeals reviewed the Prop 8 decision and determined that there was no bias in Walker's decision. That Appeals Court decision is not scheduled for review by the Supreme Court.
    He's a homosexual, he should have recused himself. A federal district court found prop 8 violated the Constitution only because rights were given then taken away. That is what violated the equal protection guarantee.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Indymom View Post
    Once again liberals want to change all the rules to accomidate a super low number of individuals. If some kid has a gender issue, they should be allowed to use the teacher's bathroom. Done. Rights aren't being violated and we won't be discussing what a girl is and what a boy is when a vast majority of kindergarteners on up, know what they are and what the difference is.

    Use some common sense!!
    Personally I would be happy with the' using the teacher's bathroom' IdeaI indeed I have put having a third area up for discussion but the 'anti LGBT' people wouldn't address that and then wanted to talk about beating people up and arresting their parents.

    The City of new York has a School just for Kids from an LGBT background who have difficulties in regular school. Unfortunately this is only feasable in a large city area.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sab View Post
    Personally I would be happy with the' using the teacher's bathroom' IdeaI indeed I have put having a third area up for discussion but the 'anti LGBT' people wouldn't address that and then wanted to talk about beating people up and arresting their parents.

    The City of new York has a School just for Kids from an LGBT background who have difficulties in regular school. Unfortunately this is only feasable in a large city area.
    please tell me that you jest
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