Well. A bit of bad phrasing on my part. The Israelis aren't free to do anything to get their soldier back. If they started lining people up and shooting them until they find out where their soldier is there would be a war crimes tibunal.

But they aren't. I don't think at any point they are just arbitrarily killing people. Lives are lost due to collateral damage and probably some more due to restricted access to medical care and the like. These are not good things but they are a product of armed conflict that, especially in this case, is impossible to remove.

People do define it differently but generally terrorism is taking violent actions deliberatly against civilians/non-combatants with the purpose of causing fear(terror) to get what a group wants.

Killing soldiers to get what you want is war (or an issurection etc). And if you're taking actions against civilions without trying to cause terror, particularily if you aren't trying to kill them, it isn't really terrorism. Though it may often be a war crime regardless.

Firing rockets randomly into civilian areas and shooting university students are clearly within the bounds of terrorism.

Hopefully that's a good thing.

what about what happened in lebanon when hizbulah kidnaped 2 soldiers (not sure if they were two) and they just began shelling all over lebanon. what about the Qana masscare. if it was collateral damage in first one i mean in 1996, certainly it is not in the second one.
I asked a question so far no body has answred. why most of you suuport israel is it for religion causes?

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Israel gave warning that they were going to be attacking the area. And again if they were really trying to lay waste to the civilian population they could have done a much better job.

However, especially with the second, they messed up. They had bad intelligence and hit civilians.

However there are two key points here. First they didn't mean to just hit civilians. Second notice the international pressure their mistake brought on them. This shows that the world does not just give Israel free reign to do what they like. It shows that if Hamas would quit with their terrorist attacks Israel would find it increasing difficult and likely impossible to continue theirs.

They might even face more pressure to quit stealing land.

At any rate Israel is supported here for a variety of reasons, that have changed over time. Currently they are our access point to the middle east. When Iraq started trying to persue nukes it was Israel that was able to drop a bomb on them. In time we may require their services again for Iran or who knows what. Also the Palestinians are going to have a hard time getting sympathy after 9/11 especially since Hamas would clearly like to repeat the same thing against Israel and probably the US if they could.

how can you be so sure of that. i guess you did not see the pictures of israel children signing the shell to send it to lebanon children
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have you asked your self what is the cause for 9/11?
I'm not justifying these attacks but when a murder is committed you will try to find the motivations behinde it

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I can't be 100% sure. But I can be 100% sure that they could cause orders of magnitude more civilian deaths if they wanted to. And they at least give the distinct impression they're only aiming at combatants.

Also the signing of shells in no way correlates to them being used to target children. Those kids probably feel, correctly, that those shells will be fired at those who would like to kill the kids doing the signing in cold blood if they could get a chance.


,their kind of Muslim rule, from Morocco to Indonesia and probably beyond. We keep getting in their way proping up others from the Saudis to Israel.

This does not mean it would be wise of us to let this happen. Nor that once they get their short term goals that they will not want more. The west has, I hope, learned it's lessons about appeasment.