"I still believe there is something in the fiber of America worth saving. The fate of America may well ride on the shoulders of young Americans in an old America gone mad." -SGT Ryan Wood
June 21, 2007
Put the establishment in check!!
Last edited by Iolo; Mar 16 2013 at 05:10 AM.
This is the typical discussion on this topic.
The conservative all assert widespread vote fraud, because the conservative noise machine, and ex disc jockeys like Limbaugh all work the meme, suggesting the existance of somethign they have no evidence for. This works on people who don't read newspapers and have little long term memory of history or politics (or choose not too because their heroes keep turning out to be chumps or villians).
Liberal respond with facts and get shouted down.
If the Republican party were really interested in election reform (and I can assure you, they are NOT), they'd be talking about it now.
And they'd be proposing real reform, not championing a piecemeal set of voter supression efforts in various states.
Personally, I think every election in the US should be run by a strengthened Federal Election Commission, with standardized ballots, standardized procedurres, and conducted under the eye of civil servants, not by local volunteers and local party officials as US elections are run now.
Of course, this would require national voter registration (which would probably be automatic), and, most likely, national voter ID's and a requirement to present them.
This is the only circumstance under which I would support voter ID laws.
Unless voter ID's are easy to for honest people to get, universal, and governed by the same rules everywhere, they are little more than a new supression tactic.
It will be interesting to see what the next election brings.
The GOP hasn't been especially successful on a large scale at voter supression by caging, and voter ID laws haven't been a winner for them either.
We'll see what the next tactic is going to be.
No need for voter ID laws. Voter fraud clearly isn't happening. Clearly.
2016: The year the Democratic party officially turned heel and came out of the closet as a Marxist party.
If we invalidate every election for the handful of voter fraud that occur we would never have elected officials. And the woman in Nevada was caught without an ID law. So you might want to change your position.