I did not want to post another item on this topic but I have to. John McCain called an ad criticizing John Kerry’s military service “dishonest and dishonorable” and urged the White House on condemn it as well. One would think that that is all one would need to say in order to put this insane psychotic attack and fallacious statements about Kerry's Vietnam service to rest. “It was the same kind of deal that was pulled on me,” McCain said.
That happened in the 2000 GOP primary.

I have so much respect for McCain that I ended by Demoncratic Party affiliation of 25 years in order to vote for John in the 2000 primary.
Maybe the non psychotic Kerry haters will listen to McCain.

I hope that this despicable attack on Kerry boomerangs just so that for once liars do not win. This is a politically motivated attack based on opinion not fact.

I also urge the knee jerk Bush bashers to stop accusing W of desertion from the T.A.N.G. ( Texas Air National Guard). That is technically and factually wrong. I only wish that Republicrats on this net would urge their Kerry haters to act reasonably also.

I have not made up my mind between Kerry and Bush

Let's argue ideology, policy, and position on issues not personal assasination.

F100supersaber; Sr-Sgt, USAF(RET)

Many of them did serve with him. O'Neill served afer him.....took over Kerry's Swift Boat, as I recall.

And how do you know it's all of them who are the liars...and not Kerry? One of the guys who was involved in the very incident that led to John Kerry's Bronze Star, said he didn't learn until years later that Kerry had put in for the Bronze Star for himself and that he had re-written the story of what actually happened. I guess he figured by then it was too late to challenge it.

I'm not a full Kerry supporter, but I don't fully support Bush either. Maybe Kerry is not the liar though, there are people that hate him with a passion, maybe they're just trying to ruin Kerry's chances at becoming president.

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I agree that the Kerry campaign should've focused more on his senate service than his war time. I think it'll be interesting how this election turns out when the polls close

Yes... two months after Kerry had left. Not quite sure what that qualifies him to say.

I love this. Kerry somehow snookered his shipmates and the Navy into awarding him three Purple Hearts, a Bronze Star and a Silver Star. Boy, they must have been selling those medals down at the PX!

He served. He got wounded. He apparently did some things that the Navy thought exceptionally noteworthy. Accept that. By attacking Kerry on this, you attack the integrity of the entire military decoration system and make yourself look petty and vindicative.

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There's a lot less doubt to benefit in Kerry's case, but yes. Sort of.

I've said repeatedly I wouldn't care what Bush did during Vietnam but for two things: the hypocrisy and the silence.

It's hypocrisy to be a hawk that supported Vietnam, and yet avoid overseas service when your turn comes up.

The silence isn't about the hypocrisy. It's about why? Why not just tell us what happened back then?

Bush was there, remember. And he isn't dead. This isn't us trying to follow a paper trail through long-forgotten archives.

He could easily say what he was doing back then. But he hasn't, not in any reasonable detail. Which makes no sense. It invites the question: Why?

I can think of just three possibilities:

1. He doesn't remember.
2. He does remember, and it's embarassing.
3. He doesn't think it's any of our business.

But the continued silence makes me think he has something to hide.

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If I were a Vietnam vet. I would be a part of this group. I base my sentiment on the following:

Mr. Kerry denounced the war effort that he now claims to be a hero of.

He lied to congress about war crimes and the actions of his fellow servicemen in a war that he now claims to be a hero of.

He claims to not have known that burning down a village was not a war crime at the time of his actions.

Vietnam was a war that was fought in D.C. The Democrats were fighting against being there and hindering the actions of our troops in theater. He and his party now embrace the war because it is to their political advantage.

There are several other domestic reasons that don't directly apply to this organization.

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