http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23651109/

Why the USA can not decide to fight Al Qaida by sinking to their level. Our abuse of prisoners and Abu Ghraid have created blowback that has helped recruit suicide bombers according to the US Military.

What, we don't have any republicans that want to dispute that the immoral abuse of our prisoners has resulted in the death of our own soldiers by suicide bombers. Come on, I want to hear JP5 or another radical right winger say that the abuse of our prisoners is needed to save lives, and the fact that it was a significant factor in recruiting suicide bombers is acceptable.

The fact of the matter, is that America is hated in much of the world. That is not going to change. But it is one thing to be hated, but be a rightous and just nation and to be a leader in the world for human rights and peace. It is another thing to justify that hatred with the torture of our prisoners and the lies of our politicians.

Not enough "Hate-America" threads in the forum for you Hard-Driver? Yes, America is hated in much of the world. That would include many democrats here in our own country, possibly 2 democrat presidential nominees, and I'm guessing you too?

What is really creating these suicide bombers is the radical form of Islam which is being spread around the world. Perhaps you should start a thread complaining about that rather than Abu Ghraid (sic?). In any case, the good news is that they can only be a suicide bomber once and I doubt it will become an effective military strategy any time in the future.

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We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity. -- Ann Coulter

That's not true. These are the SAME people----even your article says so----that attacked us on 9/11. That was LONG before Abu Ghraib.

Just more garbage from the "Blame America First Crowd."

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"This is a time for a national imperative not to fail in Iraq." Condoleeza Rice, January 11, 2007

Guess what, Hard Driver? There have always been people in the world who hate us. You are blaming it all on Abu Gharib for your own personal reasons. Just look at our board in other areas----there are Serbs and Kosovo Albanians who hate us and they hated us for getting involved in 1999 in what they considered their business. There are people who hated us for putting troops in Bosnia during the 90's. There are people from around the world who have rioted at all the WTO meetings---during all the presidencies. There were people who hated us for getting involved in the first Gulf War---even though 90% of the world AND the UN supported it and asked us to help. That's what happens when a country is the world's super power----they are condemned when they do; and condemned when they do not.

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"This is a time for a national imperative not to fail in Iraq." Condoleeza Rice, January 11, 2007

Oh Abu Ghraib, posing men naked and playing heavy metal, that justifies suicide bombings? It's our fault that they are so irrational. It's our fault that they do not value even their own lives.

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Society is produced by our wants and government by our wickedness ~Thomas Paine

Well Hardriver, no response?? You were so indignant at first to bump the topic. Maybe you are unable to continue making the moral equivalency argument of comparing Abu Garib prisoners that were only embarrassed publicly to those that explode themselves to kill thousands?

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Society is produced by our wants and government by our wickedness ~Thomas Paine

Immoral abuse of "our" prisoners? *personal insult removed*

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And he said unto them, Ye will surely say unto me this proverb, Physician, heal thyself: whatsoever we have heard done in Capernaum, do also here in thy country.

And he said, Verily I say unto you, No prophet is accepted in his own country.

Abu Ghaib was used and continues to be used by the anti-US types as part of their propaganda effort to aid our enemies.

Its second only to their using the civilian victims of terrorism/or the casualties amongst those fighting terrorists as their excuse to abandon the victims of terrorism and Surrender to Terrorists.

They are the Quislings of our time.

So I get the usual response...

1) Ignore
Completely ignore the point in the report that says the abuse of our prisoners was a significant factor in suicide bombers deciding to be recruited by Al Qaida.. point is completely ignored.

2) Minimize
Claim that we "just posed men naked and played heavy metal".

3) Justify by comparison with scum
Justify that our actions are nothing because we are better than the scum of the earth. Yup we are better than beheading our prisoners... Although there have been reports of prisoners who died in our custody. Or justify that it is so much better than suicide bombings.

I am not claiming that our abuse justifies any attacks against america. I am merely pointing out that the immoral tactics this administration used in our prisoner treatment has created blowback that helped recruit suicide bombers, according to a military report.

And this is one of many reasons why this country should never sink to such low levels.

All that should be said, by republicans and democrats on this topic is what John McCain says, that was wrong and we should never do it again.