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    Quote Originally Posted by Nunya D. View Post
    Racial discrimination or the elimination of such IS an issue...more often a political one at that. How is that any different than supporting or opposing say, gun control, or environmental policies?
    IMO, opposing gun control (except EBCs) is social welfare in a positive sense. Opposing environmental policies which help to keep the environment clean are anti-social welfare. I guess each policy has to be judged on its own merits as relates to social welfare, and it can be subjective. So I come in here and voice my subjectivity as well as anyone else, I guess.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nunya D. View Post
    EVERY social science expert would disagree with you.
    Not only would they NOT disagree with me, but they COULD NOT disagree with me, because it is an element of simple logic. Like saying if Tampa is in Florida, and Florida is in the USA, then Tampa is in the USA. You CAN'T disagree.
    Last edited by protectionist; May 23 2013 at 06:23 PM.

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    This is clearly Obama. He is the source of the corruption. No mid-level IRS employee making $100 k per year would throw their career away over politics. Abstaining from a decision is far more egregious of a crime than simply denying the status. Imbecilic zombies look at denials. Anyone who has ACTUALLY WORKED FOR A LIVING can see the posers and incompetents based upon their inability to "decide".

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    Quote Originally Posted by akphidelt2007 View Post
    The only thing they have done wrong "so far" is they made a documented list of keywords for employees to look for to go under more scrutiny from a team of specialist. Other than that, they didn't do anything illegal. Just frowned upon to make a list... they still would have put those Tea Party groups for more review regardless of the list or not. So it's really a non-issue. And the fact not a single Tea Party has been denied so far and the only group that was denied was a progressive group in Maine... this is even more of a non-issue than I thought.

    The biggest issue I would say, is how did these Tea Party groups get approved for tax exemptions when many of them have clearly displayed they are a group with political intentions and not "social welfare" groups. The Tea Party groups are the ones that should be under investigation.
    1. In general, I tend to agree, however as a political Independent with leanings to both left and right (depending on the issues) I do see where the Tea Party could come up with some valid social welfare connections like for instance :

    1. Supporting American workers by opposing immigration.

    2. Supporting the US Constitution and America in general by opposing Islamization.

    3. Supporting equality by opposing racial discrimination in affirmative action.

    4. Supporting gun rights for law-abiding Americans.
    Last edited by protectionist; May 23 2013 at 06:31 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by protectionist View Post
    I like the IRS! Where did they do anything wrong ? Does anyone know anything that they specifically did that could be considered unfair or improper ? They do have to check for the validity of tax exempt statuses, based on their specifications, no ?

    What mainly bothers me is all these super-rich greed freaks who engage in tax dodging, like with fake addresses in the Cayman Islands. I's like to see the IRS tax their butts off.
    Targeting specific political or religious groups to a primary exclusion is a violation of the first amendment because it makes people less apt to exercise that right.

    Everyone knows this.
    "We live in oppressive times. We have, as a nation, become our own thought police; but instead of calling the process by which we limit our expression of dissent and wonder censorship, we call it concern for commercial viability." Mamet, David -

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zosiasmom View Post
    Targeting specific political or religious groups to a primary exclusion is a violation of the first amendment because it makes people less apt to exercise that right.

    Everyone knows this.
    What do you mean by "primary exclusion" ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by protectionist View Post
    What do you mean by "primary exclusion" ?
    Conservatives just make up their own phrases to push their failed ideology.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yosh Shmenge View Post
    What if the list of keywords that caused the IRS to go full attack mode contained words or phrases like progressive, organize and social justice? Would that be okay with you?
    I doubt it.
    I honestly would not give the slightest care. I don't play party politics. I think it's a joke what both sides of the aisle consider "issues". Political groups tax exemptions requests regardless of what party is probably the most insignificant issue I can think about.

    Somehow you've rationalized things inside your own skull to the degree that this is all merely about compiling a list. As if targeting Obama's foes for special harassment and illegal intrusive abuses of power by the IRS is no more extraordinary than making a grocery list.
    It is merely about a list. There is no evidence that points to anything other than them making a list to shorten up their work load.

    Why? Tell me why wanting smaller more responsive government makes one an enemy of the state?
    It doesn't, the Tea Party can exist, but this has nothing to do with the Tea Party's ideology. It's simply a tax issue. You are trying to make it a bigger issue than it really is. Like there is some country wide attack against the Tea Party, lol. The Tea Party can and does whatever they want. If they want tax exemptions than they are going to have to prove they aren't a political group. Doesn't mean they can't keep promoting their smaller government.

    http://www.humanevents.com/2013/05/1...vative-groups/
    You are so far off base you are out of the ball park. The IRS released confidential information and gave it to Obama operatives. The IRS made
    tax status dependent on answering illegal questions designed to reveal information not required to obtain tax exempt status. Multiple audits
    and investigations were used as a tool to silence critics, etc.
    You frankly are extremely ill informed, and that's putting it mildly.
    No they didn't. You can't say the word "illegal" when not a single court has deemed it illegal. This is just conjecture. Like most of your theories, it usually ends up as nothing.

    You don't seem to understand the process."Social welfare" can take many forms.
    Of course it can... that's why majority of the groups that went under review did not contain the words Tea Party or Patriot. 2/3rds of those that went to review did not contain the words on the list. It's such a non-issue that it's hilarious how far you guys are willing to take this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by akphidelt2007 View Post
    The only thing they have done wrong "so far" is they made a documented list of keywords for employees to look for to go under more scrutiny from a team of specialist. Other than that, they didn't do anything illegal.
    Really?

    UNITED STATES CODE
    TITLE 18 - CRIMES AND CRIMINAL PROCEDURE
    PART I - CRIMES
    CHAPTER 13 - CIVIL RIGHTS

    241. Conspiracy against rights

    If two or more persons conspire to injure, oppress, threaten, or intimidate any inhabitant of any State, Territory, or District in the free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege secured to him by the Constitution or laws of the United States, or because of his having so exercised the same; or

    They shall be fined not more than $10,000 or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and if death results, they shall be subject to imprisonment for any term of years or for life.


    http://www.lneilsmith.org/18usc.html
    "If two or more persons conspire to oppress any inhabitant of any State, Territory, or District in the free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege secured to him by the Constitution or laws of the United States." They have committed a crime. I think there's going to be a good number of Federal employees that will be new residents of the grey bar motel.
    Last edited by Professor Peabody; May 23 2013 at 08:52 PM.
    Would the IRS accept the excuse YOUR hard drive crashed 10 days after receiving an audit notice, so you can't supply the information they're asking for? Would they just drop it and go away? Why should they be held to any less of a standard they set for us?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Professor Peabody View Post
    Really?

    "If two or more persons conspire to oppress any inhabitant of any State, Territory, or District in the free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege secured to him by the Constitution or laws of the United States." They have committed a crime. I think there's going to be a good number of Federal employees that will be new residents of the grey bar motel.
    Lmao! Ok armchair lawyer. I promise you not a single person will be indicted on any illegal criminal charges over this IRS issue. It's a non-issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by akphidelt2007 View Post
    Lmao! Ok armchair lawyer. I promise you not a single person will be indicted on any illegal criminal charges over this IRS issue. It's a non-issue.
    LOLOLOL! Keep believing that! You simply underestimate the average persons dislike of the IRS.
    Last edited by Professor Peabody; May 23 2013 at 08:55 PM.
    Would the IRS accept the excuse YOUR hard drive crashed 10 days after receiving an audit notice, so you can't supply the information they're asking for? Would they just drop it and go away? Why should they be held to any less of a standard they set for us?

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