Ok, all I had to do was restart. I got the same screen when trying to reply to several threads today. I need to buy a new PC.

Anyway.

Talking about nukes.

Once again talking about nukes. Never have I said they did. I think that the only reference to nukes that I made was when you started talking about them. And what did I say?

Published before we found those 500 pieces of ordinance I referenced earlier.

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That is odd. Ok here ya go, since you did not read them when I first posted them several days ago.

FOXNews.com - Report: Hundreds of WMDs Found in Iraq - U.S. Senate

I cant get the link with the papers to work either. I contacted their webmaster.

And additional. But you will probably dismiss them as you do everything else. Without thought.
Saddam Hussein's Support for International Terrorism
Report Details Saddam's Terrorist Ties - March 14, 2008 - The New York Sun

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This?

Lawmakers Cite Weapons Found in Iraq - washingtonpost.com

Here is a quote at the end: I was just bringing further evidence to knock down any claims that he had WMD's before the invasion and that it was a reason to invade. I also knocked down the CB weapons claim and the claim that he was attemping to build his nuclear program back up. So with all these things I've been knocking down, what other reason is there to invade Iraq? I still haven't found it and I haven't been given a strong reason yet.

I already refutiated the WMD's found. Look at my latest post.

I don't really care what the White House says. They are going to push their agenda to go to War. Of cousre they won't say something different. Even then, I never said he didn't train terrorists and I don't doubt he had funded to an extent, international terrorists. But it is a widely known fact that Saddam never liked nor trusted terrorists from Saudi Arabia or Iran or other places in the Middle East. Furthermore, none of them attacked U.S. soil or are linked to any US attacks.

As for the NYSun. I already saw that article.

Two different quotes mentioned in the article:

Nothing definitive.

Your latest post did not say anything about CB weapons, nothing I covered had anything to do with nuke, only CB, you then post a reference that only talks about nuke in an attempt to refute my CB references. How does that work?

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Ok that was odd. It did not post my whole post. Anyway.

As to your latest link. I said in my first post about these weapons, that they were dated. But because we found something that Saddam said he destroyed, and something the UN could not find, but believed were destroyed, gives credence to the reports that said Saddam moved troops and munitions into Syria while we were building up on the south (meaning we think he moved his new stuff into Syria) and that is why we did not find the new stuff. Did you not get that from the two dozen times I said it?

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The ones you refused to address. I'll post them again below.

*deleted personal insult.* I don't think you know how to define fully mechanized. Let's look at some more facts:

regardless, they couldn't mass produce them. We could mass produce "BIG IRON." From the Early Warning Report of October 2006 by Richard Maybury:

"In World War II, one of the most famous German
tank units was the fearsome Panzer Lehr Division. On
the morning of July 25, 1944, Panzer Lehr was in the
path of Allied forces moving eastward across France
near St. Lo.

Panzer Lehr had 2,200 men and 45 operational tanks.
The Allied attack on Panzer Lehr began with waves
of P-47 Thunderbolt fighters, fifty at a time. Every two
minutes a wave would sweep across Panzer Lehr,
dropping a hurricane of napalm.

The P-47s departed, and were replaced by waves of
medium bombers dropping 500-pound bombs.

After the medium bombers were through, the
surviving Germans heard 1,500 heavy four-engine B-17
and B-24 bombers. Try to imagine the sound of 6,000
engines headed directly at you.

The B-17s and B-24s laid a carpet of bombs across
Panzer Lehr, churning the earth into a landscape of
craters and wreckage; 55-ton tanks were thrown into the
air, landing in pieces upside down.

After the heavy bombers departed, another 300 P-38
Lightning fighters swept across the remnants of Panzer
Lehr, dropping incendiaries and anti-personnel fragmentation
bombs.

Then hundreds of artillery pieces opened up. After
them, battalions of Allied tanks came in.

The 45 tanks of Panzer Lehr had been attacked by
more than 2,000 planes.

In war as in peace, humans have two general ways to
get things done — use labor, or capital. To destroy
Panzer Lehr, US generals could have sent legions of
troops, and suffered hundreds of casualties. Instead
they used machinery.

Labor vs. Capital on the Battlefield

Ever since the Civil War, which was the world’s first
industrial war, the US armed forces have always chosen
“big iron” over body bags. Big iron is expensive, but
the American taxpayer has been willing to pay for it.

A World War II four-engine B-24 bomber contained
1.5 million parts. Henry Ford’s Willow Run plant
turned out one B-24 every 63 minutes.

A total of 18,188 B-24s were built at all aircraft
plants, in addition to 12,729 B-17s and 3,970 B-29s.
That’s a total of 34,887 four-engine heavy bombers.

The number of four-engine heavy bombers put into
the air by technological pipsqueaks Germany and Japan
together was 204. Their gadget shops produced impressive
inventions, but these little countries had sparse
ability to mass produce them.

Of the 46 divisions Hitler had in France in 1941, 1.5
were mechanized; the other 44.5 were foot soldiers and
horses. When the Americans invaded Normandy in
June 1944, the entire US military force was mechanized;
the Germans were dependent on 1.25 million
horses.

The most powerful and decisive weapon of World
War II (and still today) was the aircraft carrier. The
Germans tried to build one, but failed to solve the
technical problems. The Americans built 146 carriers
in 44 months. Laid end-to-end, they’d stretch 17
miles end - to-end, total US tanks built in WWII would
stretch 300 miles.

Wingtip to wingtip, total planes, 3,600 miles.

At any given moment, the average Japanese soldier
deployed in the Pacific was accompanied by two
pounds of supplies. The American, four tons.

Generals Patton, MacArthur, Eisenhower and their
associates have received the credit, but it was really
General Motors, General Dynamics and Rosie the
Riveter who buried the enemy — under a Himalaya of
US hardware.

Washington’s amazing ratio of capital to labor is
why less than 1% of the people killed in World War II
were Americans."

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Libertarianism isn't simply about commerce. It's about rights. People have the right to engage in any peaceful, honest, voluntary activities they choose to engage in. Government only steps in when people initiate force, fraud or coercion. Those are the basic tenets of libertarianism. As for profiting from war, if it's not a defensive war, then it is indeed anti-liberty.


This is simply absurd, and demonstrates the profound contradictions in your world-view.

The Libertarian Party, the largest libertarian organization in the country, disagrees with your definition:

IV. Foreign Affairs (from the Libertarian Party Platform)

"American foreign policy should seek an America at peace with the world and the defense -- against attack from abroad -- of the lives, liberty, and property of the American people on American soil. Provision of such defense must respect the individual rights of people everywhere.

The principle of non-intervention should guide relationships between governments. The United States government should return to the historic libertarian tradition of avoiding entangling alliances, abstaining totally from foreign quarrels and imperialist adventures, and recognizing the right to unrestricted trade, travel, and immigration."

In fact, just about every major libertarian think tank in the country disagrees with your position.


The tax cuts were not made permanent *insult removed.* And the Republicans have lost control of Congress. They can indeed be changed by a simple majority vote of Congress.

The lesser of two evils is still evil. Other than the tax cuts, Bush has governed as an economic liberal.

ROTFL. That is absolutely insane. Again, he is the most anti-libertarian President in recent history.

Ron Paul is absolutely 100% correct on foreign policy. It is *personal insult removed* Bush who is clueless.

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You miss that post?

Or did you miss that million times I provided sources that said that Saddam never had new stuff to even move to Syria?

And the claim made by Georges Sada that WMD's were moved from Iraq to Syria in the guise of a humanitarian effort completely contradicts the Duelfer Report which states:

So there you go CDP. A possibility. But with all the other evidence and so forth, that possibility is very slim indeed. It's just a theory. There are countless other theories out there. I'll stick with the facts though CDP.

Even further actually:

I do not see anything that you provided that was any more reliable than what I provided. So I have to go on what I have provided along with my own personal experiences in country.


You call yours fact, I do not see it that way. Sorry brother. You are going to have to come up with better to sway my own personal experiences.

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