I do not see that they died in vain.

How many service members do you know that passed in combat? All of my friends that passed saw things the same way I do.

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How is what you are doing allowing him to feel the way he feels. Are you implying that because you are fighting in Iraq you are allowing him to feel. Or do you mean that because you are in Iraq you are allowing him to express his feelings by freedom of speech? You being in Iraq has nothing to do with freedom of speech. Iraq was never threatening any freedoms of American citizens. Nothing. You have become a victim of the propaganda machine and now you are spreading it's lies.

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All wars represent a failure of diplomacy

“I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.” - Stephen Roberts.

Do you mean died, plenty who fought next to me and against me in 67, It changed me from a stupid, ignorant, pawn of a goverment, to an atheist pacifist.

I refused to return in 73!

Brother, thanks for doing your thing. But that post was not directed at you. And this is not Vietnam.

The above is not a flame or a bash.

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You first.

With all due respect to C-D-P, he is in essence a de facto slave. He must do what he is told. He is a pawn of the government, and he must obey orders.

He could not come into this forum and question the war, if he decided he was against it. I've seen a couple of active duty soldiers do that, and some Neocon cry babies reported them to their base commanders, and then there were suddenly no more future posts from them. C-D-P cannot directly question his commanders - he must obey.

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I'm retired. I can say what I please.

I support the mission in Iraq.

In addition, ma'am you are ignoring the fact that re-enlistments have remained consistently steady. The troops aren't abandoning the mission even with an opportunity to separate from the military. Many remain in the fight.

Yes, I have to obey orders, But I do not have to continue to reenlist, I can choose to get out. But I do not. Why do you think that is?

With all due respect Ma'am. You haven’t the foggiest frigging clue what you are talking about. I like all service members, have the right to free speech. I have the right to speak out against the war, just so long as I am not doing it as a member of the military, and I am not doing it while in uniform. I can attend any rally, or protest I choose, just so long as I do it as an individual.

If my higher makes a bad call on the battlefield I can say, "Hey sir, that is frigging stupid, how about doing it this way?" and if he decides not to listen, and it is a lawful order, then yes I have to follow through, but I can tell him that it is a bad idea. I have done it before. But there is nothing in the UCMJ that says I can not voice my opinion, just so long as I am not doing it as a representative of the military.

So, this is Matt talking here. I believe we are doing the right thing.

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http://www.vaiw.org/vet/modules.php?...=article&sid=9

Here is quite a few veterans from all kinds of wars (some even WW2), that don't. I personally liked this one a lot:

Martin Harwayne, US Army, WW II

Here's another good site with a really good little opening there:

http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?ItemID=3328

I just wanted to show that there are plenty of veterans against this War. That being said, you obviously are free to support it.

And? Many different people have opposing opinions. It happens.

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You lack wisdom.


I'm just telling you what happened. A soldier who opposed the war was posting his views on another forum. A Neocon questioned that he was really a soldier, so he provided his personal information as proof. This Neocon then posted a copy of the email he sent to his superior officer, questioning the policies of the army and the U.S. The soldier came back in and said he was no longer allowed to post. That's all I can tell you.

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"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." - Schopenhauer