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03-29-2008, 07:19 AM
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[quote=Taomon;473326] What is the truth?
IT LOOKS LIKE ALL THESE PEOPLE VOTED FOR BUSH TO GET OIL AND MONEY? HMMMMMM.. NOPE! THAT DOESENT MAKE TOO MUCH SINCE DOES IT? U.S. Senate Roll Call Votes 107th Congress - 2nd Session as compiled through Senate LIS by the Senate Bill Clerk under the direction of the Secretary of the Senate Vote Summary Question: On the Joint Resolution (H.J.Res. 114 ) Vote Number: 237 Vote Date: October 11, 2002, 12:50 AM Required For Majority: 1/2 Vote Result: Joint Resolution Passed Measure Number: H.J.Res. 114 Measure Title: A joint resolution to authorize the use of United States Armed Forces against Iraq. Vote Counts: YEAs 77 NAYs 23 Vote Summary By Senator Name By Vote Position By Home State Alphabetical by Senator Name Akaka (D-HI), Nay Allard (R-CO), Yea Allen (R-VA), Yea Baucus (D-MT), Yea Bayh (D-IN), Yea Bennett (R-UT), Yea Biden (D-DE), Yea Bingaman (D-NM), Nay Bond (R-MO), Yea Boxer (D-CA), Nay Breaux (D-LA), Yea Brownback (R-KS), Yea Bunning (R-KY), Yea Burns (R-MT), Yea Byrd (D-WV), Nay Campbell (R-CO), Yea Cantwell (D-WA), Yea Carnahan (D-MO), Yea Carper (D-DE), Yea Chafee (R-RI), Nay Cleland (D-GA), Yea Clinton (D-NY), Yea Cochran (R-MS), Yea Collins (R-ME), Yea Conrad (D-ND), Nay Corzine (D-NJ), Nay Craig (R-ID), Yea Crapo (R-ID), Yea Daschle (D-SD), Yea Dayton (D-MN), Nay DeWine (R-OH), Yea Dodd (D-CT), Yea Domenici (R-NM), Yea Dorgan (D-ND), Yea Durbin (D-IL), Nay Edwards (D-NC), Yea Ensign (R-NV), Yea Enzi (R-WY), Yea Feingold (D-WI), Nay Feinstein (D-CA), Yea Fitzgerald (R-IL), Yea Frist (R-TN), Yea Graham (D-FL), Nay Gramm (R-TX), Yea Grassley (R-IA), Yea Gregg (R-NH), Yea Hagel (R-NE), Yea Harkin (D-IA), Yea Hatch (R-UT), Yea Helms (R-NC), Yea Hollings (D-SC), Yea Hutchinson (R-AR), Yea Hutchison (R-TX), Yea Inhofe (R-OK), Yea Inouye (D-HI), Nay Jeffords (I-VT), Nay Johnson (D-SD), Yea Kennedy (D-MA), Nay Kerry (D-MA), Yea Kohl (D-WI), Yea Kyl (R-AZ), Yea Landrieu (D-LA), Yea Leahy (D-VT), Nay Levin (D-MI), Nay Lieberman (D-CT), Yea Lincoln (D-AR), Yea Lott (R-MS), Yea Lugar (R-IN), Yea McCain (R-AZ), Yea McConnell (R-KY), Yea Mikulski (D-MD), Nay Miller (D-GA), Yea Murkowski (R-AK), Yea Murray (D-WA), Nay Nelson (D-FL), Yea Nelson (D-NE), Yea Nickles (R-OK), Yea Reed (D-RI), Nay Reid (D-NV), Yea Roberts (R-KS), Yea Rockefeller (D-WV), Yea Santorum (R-PA), Yea Sarbanes (D-MD), Nay Schumer (D-NY), Yea Sessions (R-AL), Yea Shelby (R-AL), Yea Smith (R-NH), Yea Smith (R-OR), Yea Snowe (R-ME), Yea Specter (R-PA), Yea Stabenow (D-MI), Nay Stevens (R-AK), Yea Thomas (R-WY), Yea Thompson (R-TN), Yea Thurmond (R-SC), Yea Torricelli (D-NJ), Yea Voinovich (R-OH), Yea Warner (R-VA), Yea Wellstone (D-MN), Nay Wyden (D-OR), Nay Last edited by Toby; 03-29-2008 at 07:20 AM. 
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03-29-2008, 08:10 AM
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I have a better idea. We apologize to the world for allowing Bush & Cheney to lead us astray. Then we build a true coalition from the UN of countries (not previously involved in this affair - that is you Turkey, Australia, Britain and Canada) to rebuild Iraq and let them truly choose the government that they want. We then pull all US companies from Iraq...all of them. And then we make them all pay a percentage of the profits earned since 2003 for that region back into social programs in Iraq. Quote:
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Now, Clinton was trying, weakly, to get Osama bin Laden and al Qaeda. Treatises we have with Saudi Arabia stopped us from doing it. But George W Bush's administration were warned and they did nothing. After 9/11 they suddenly take action by carpet bombing Afghanistan (rather than apprehending Taliban & al Qaeda operatives and sparing the lives of countless civilian Afghans). They also ensured that our civil liberties at home were taken away with the Patriot act, domestic spying and who knows what other programs. Quote:
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Look at the pictures from Gitmo & Abu Ghraib, how dare you yell at me about how innocent our troops are when we see evidence of them committing atrocities. Fallujah was an act of revenge for the deaths of three Blackwater mercenaries. An entire district was attacked, including civilians. There is film footage of an IED exploding and an American battalion opening fire on a children's soccer game (as they fired in every possible direction). There is countless footage of door-to-door raids by our service men & women as they violate the culture and rights of the Iraqi civilian population. How much do we not see? How dare YOU attack ME when we both know that war is hell and there are always civilian casualties...especially when a country (the US) invades and occupies another country. But these are people we are talking about. If you truly cared about Iraqi civilians and the stability of that country, you would have us leave as well. We are the aggressors here so don't try and sugarcoat it by saying that a worse fate waits for Iraqis if we leave when we are the big bad wolf. Quote:
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So if one of your kids lies to you and your wife, and you find out later that your kid lied, you would blame your wife? 
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Tantum religio potuit suadere malorum (To such heights of evil are men driven by religion)
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03-29-2008, 08:12 AM
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Tantum religio potuit suadere malorum (To such heights of evil are men driven by religion)
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03-29-2008, 08:18 AM
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03-29-2008, 08:20 AM
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What is wrong is that vets only saw one perspective...down the barrel of a gun. Not one veteran who has returned has spoken of rebuilding Iraq's infrastructure.
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Tantum religio potuit suadere malorum (To such heights of evil are men driven by religion)
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03-29-2008, 09:15 AM
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LIKE I SAID. ALL SADDAM HAD TO DO IS COOPERATE! LET US LOOK FOR WMD'S UNRESTRICTED AND WITHOUT OPPOSITION AS PER 1991 CAESE FIRE AGREEMENT! DID HE DO THAT? HELL NO! SO HOW WERE WE TO KNOW? HE WOULDENT COOPERATE! HE MADE A MOCKERY OF THE INSPECTION PROCESS. HE DID NOT COOPERATE WITH INSPECTORS! HE BROKE 11 RULES OF THE 1991 CAESE FIR AGREEMENT! WAS WAR JUSTIFIED? YOU CAN BET YOR ASS IT WAS! AND CONGRESSS BOTH DEMOCRAT AND REPUBLICAN AGREED! EVEN AFTER THE INITAL INVASION WAS OVER! Quote:
ALSO IF YOU CARE ABOUT THE AFGHANIS SO MUCH THAT YOU CONDEMN ACCEDENTAL CIVILIAN CASUALTYS THEN WHY DONT YOU WANT THEM TO LIVE A LIFE OF FREEDOM. I GUESS ITS OK TO CRITISIZE AMERICA FOR COLATERAL DAMAGE BUT ITS NOT OK FOR AMERICA TO LEAVE AFGHANASTAN A PEACEFUL NATION? I GUESS ITS OK THAT WE LET THE TALIBAN RULE AFGHANASTAN BUT ITS NOT OK IF WE ACCEDENTLY KILL CIVILIANS IN THE EFFORT TO DESTROY AN ENEMY WHOS OBJECTIVE IS TO HIDE BEHIND THEM? WOW YOUVE GOT YOUR PRIORITYS BACKWARDS! Quote:
Name one war that America fought based on lies...oh yeah, that would be all of them.
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03-29-2008, 09:15 AM
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ARE YOU CALLING OUR TROOPS MURDERS? ARE YOU ACCUSING OUR TROOPS OF MURDERING HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF INNOCENT IRAQIS? HAVE YOU BEEN TO IRAQ? HAVE YOU WORKED WITH THE TROOPS? HAVE YOU SEEN THE ANBAR PROVENCE LATLEY!? ANBAR PROVENCE MAKES UP 1/3RD OF IRAQ! AND THEY COMPLEATLY KICKED OUT THE ENEMY WITH THE HELP OF OUR TROOPS! WHY? BECAUSE THEY WERE TIRED OF BEING MURDERED BY THE MUJ AND ALQUIEDA! I WANDER WHY THEY CHOSE US OVER THEM? BECAUSE WE ARENT MURDERING THEM! WOW! WHAT A CONCEPT! FIND ANOTHER ARGUEMENT! YOUVE LOST THIS ONE! Quote:
GITMO? YOU MEAN THE SAME TROOPS THAT ARE HAVING COCKTAILS "A COMBINATION OF URINE, CRAP, BLOOD, AND SEMEN" THROWNE AT THEM AS THEY PASS BY IN THE PRISON? THE SAME TROOPS THAT HAVE HAS ASSAULT AFTER ASSAULT ON THEIR LIVES AT GITMO ON A DAILY BASES? AND OF COURSE YOUR TALKING ABOUT THE PRISIONERS THAT HAVE A RIGHT TO A LAWYER, 5 BRODCAST PRAYERS A DAY, ARROWS IN THERE CELLS POINTING TO MECCA, SKULL CAPS, 3 HALAL MEALS A DAY THAT COST MORE THAN THE FOOD WE FEED OUR TROOPS, AND ARE ACTUALLY GAINING WEIGHT! OH THOES POOR TERRORISTS! Quote:
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NOW IF YOU TRULY CARE ABOUT THE IRAQIS WHY LEAVE THEM TO ISLAMIC EXTREAMISTS? ANSWER THAT QUESTION! Quote:
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Regime change in Iraq has been official US policy since 1998. The Iraq Liberation Act of 1998, signed into law by President Clinton, states: "It should be the policy of the United States to support efforts to remove the regime headed by Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq and to promote the emergence of a democratic government to replace that regime." Iraq Liberation Act of 1998 105th Congress, 2nd Session September 29, 1998 http://freedomagenda.com/iraq/wmd_qu...tml#Lof9huGeMd http://globalsecurity.org/wmd/librar...980929-in2.htm .................................................. ............................ "The hard fact is that so long as Saddam remains in power, he threatens the well-being of his people, the peace of his region, the security of the world. The best way to end that threat once and for all is with a new Iraqi government -- a government ready to live in peace with its neighbors, a government that respects the rights of its people." President Clinton Oval Office Address to the American People December 16, 1998 http://freedomagenda.com/iraq/wmd_qu...tml#kO7eVCiIta http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stori...s/clinton.html .................................................. ........... "People can quarrel with whether we should have more troops in Afghanistan or internationalize Iraq or whatever, but it is incontestable that on the day I left office, there were unaccounted for stocks of biological and chemical weapons." Former President Clinton During an interview on CNN's "Larry King Live" July 22, 2003 http://freedomagenda.com/iraq/wmd_qu...tml#wR6nIpoLli http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/...ton.iraq.sotu/ .................................................. ............................... "Imagine the consequences if Saddam fails to comply and we fail to act. Saddam will be emboldened, believing the international community has lost its will. He will rebuild his arsenal of weapons of mass destruction. And some day, some way, I am certain, he will use that arsenal again, as he has ten times since 1983." Sandy Berger, President Clinton's National Security Advisor Town Hall Meeting on Iraq at Ohio State University February 18, 1998 http://freedomagenda.com/iraq/wmd_qu...tml#voY0lOeonG http://www.fas.org/news/iraq/1998/02...22006_tpo.html .................................................. ................................... The Guardian February 6, 1999 Saddam link to Bin Laden By Julian Borger Saddam Hussein's regime has opened talks with Osama bin Laden, bringing closer the threat of a terrorist attack using chemical, biological or nuclear weapons, according to US intelligence sources and Iraqi opposition officials. The key meeting took place in the Afghan mountains near Kandahar in late December. The Iraqi delegation was led by Farouk Hijazi, Baghdad's ambassador in Turkey and one of Saddam's most powerful secret policemen, who is thought to have offered Bin Laden asylum in Iraq. News of the negotiations emerged in a week when the US attorney general, Janet Reno, warned the Senate that a terrorist attack involving weapons of mass destruction was a growing concern. "There's a threat, and it's real," Ms Reno said, adding that such weapons "are being considered for use." http://freedomagenda.com/iraq/wmd_qu...tml#tO6tWImvU6 http://www.guardian.co.uk/internatio...314700,00.html .................................................. ................................. Last edited by Toby; 03-29-2008 at 09:22 AM.
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03-29-2008, 09:28 AM
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NOTE: THIS INFORMATION WAS FROM SEPT 2007. IRAQ IS EVEN BETTER NOW! 7)Myth: Iraq’s economy and infrastructure is getting worse Despite terrorist attacks and sabotage Iraq’s economy has grown much faster than post war Germany and Japan. 1) The Iraqi unemployment rate is at 25-40%. That’s down from 50-60% back in 2003. 2) The electricity production level is 15% above pre war levels and the goal set by the US for average electricity generated has been reached years ago. 3) 8,997,000 more people have phone service than before the war. 4) Before the war there were no commercial TV stations, no commercial radio stations, and no independent news papers or magazines. Now there are 54 commercial TV stations 114 commercial radio stations and, 268 independent newspapers and magazines. 5) There are 5.7% more children in elementary school since pre war levels and there is an 27% increase of children in middle/high schools since before the war. 6) People with access to potable water before the war was 12.9 million but now 9.7 million with an 4.2 million increase since the war started. 6.2 million people had sewage before the war as opposed to the 5.6 million that have it now. However the CPA’s goal was 2.5 million. 7) Iraq has managed to make 21 billion dollars in Oil revenues despite the insurgent sabotages and the number will only rise each year.  Iraq’s GDP has more than doubled its growth since prewar levels making Iraq the fastest growing economy in the world.Iraq Electricity Production at All-time High Iraq Electricity Production at Alltime High Brookings institute Iraq Study http://www3.brookings.edu/fp/saban/iraq/index.pdf Washington Institute http://www.washingtoninstitute.org/p...icyFocus50.pdf CIA Iraq https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat...k/geos/iz.html Last edited by Toby; 03-29-2008 at 09:29 AM.
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