Originally Posted by Tuatara

What makes you think it was his call to make. If it were the invasion would have never happened. He is voicing his opinion that the invasion was not worth the lives (both american and Iraqi) and the money and the stability of the region. Many of us agree with that statement.

Originally Posted by C-D-P

And many that do not. I do however find it odd that you fail to capitalize the A in American, but do not fail to do so with Iraqi. Or is that just because hitting shift twice was too hard?

Originally Posted by Tuatara

Is this better?

American

Originally Posted by C-D-P

I read a few of them, and they said the same thing ever other link you posted said, the same things that were discredited in earlier discussions.

Originally Posted by C-D-P

Ok, very well. You feel free to THINK that way then.

Originally Posted by C-D-P

They had their time. And they let themselves get pushed around, and rewrote things and rewrote them again until they were allowed to go in under stringent conditions. It is no wonder they did not find anything.

Originally Posted by C-D-P

How about you stop attempting to insult me.

But you obviously completely ignored what I said earlier.

I do not believe our Gov lied. Were they wrong in some things? Yes, but faulty intel does not mean a lie.

Originally Posted by Bugalugs

How about these lies:

"We know he's been absolutely devoted to trying to acquire nuclear weapons, and we believe he has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons."
VP Dick Cheney – “Meet the Press” 3/16/2003

“The facts and Iraq's behaviour show that Saddam Hussein and his regime are concealing their efforts to produce more weapons of mass destruction... Ladies and gentlemen, these are not assertions. These are facts corroborated by many sources, some of them sources of the intelligence services of other countries” — US Secretary of State Colin Powell's February 5 presentation at the UN.

"We gave him a chance to allow the inspectors in, and he wouldn't let them in." Bush Press Conference 7/14/2003

"The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa." State of the Union Address – 1/28/2003

"Our intelligence sources tell us that he (Saddam) has attempted to purchase high-strength aluminum tubes suitable for nuclear weapons production." State of the Union Address – 1/28/2003

"Evidence from intelligence sources, secret communications and statements by people now in custody reveal that Saddam Hussein aids and protects terrorists, including members of Al Qaida." State of the Union Address – 1/28/2003

“The Australian Government knows that Iraq still has chemical and biological weapons and that Iraq wants to develop nuclear weapons.” John Howard, Speech to Parliament before the war in Iraq, 4 February 2003

“[Saddam Hussein's] weapons of mass destruction program is active, detailed and growing. The policy of containment is not working. The weapons of mass destruction program is not shut down; it is up and running now” — Tony Blair in the British parliamentary debate on Iraq, September 24.

“We know for a fact there are weapons there” — White House mouthpiece Ari Fleischer, January 9.

Originally Posted by bugalugs

I'm not attempting to insult you. But it is relevant to point out the fact that many of the statements you have made on these boards have been proved to be completely untrue.

And now you have done it again - made a statement that was a complete lie.

When asked by Tuatara:
All the lying quotes have been presented but not one of you has discussed any of those in detail.

You replied:
You have not provided any reliable reference to back this claim up.


When only a few posts earlier I had posted a list of lies told by the various governments responsible for the illegal invasion of Iraq - all of the quotes fully referenced





How can you possibly argue that all of these statements are not lies?

How on earth can you believe that:
“The facts and Iraq's behaviour show that Saddam Hussein and his regime are concealing their efforts to produce more weapons of mass destruction... Ladies and gentlemen, these are not assertions. These are facts "
is not a complete and outright lie?

Originally Posted by C-D-P

You posted a list of nothings. Every one of those statments was easily explained away by bad intel. Bad intel does not mean a lie.