National Hero's Tour. The Anti War Crowd Is Going To Look Real Stupid Now! - Page 3

Toby · #21 (**permalink**) 03-26-2008, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Tedminator

Really? Iraqis are killing Americans soldiers?

Imagine that... the same people you bleedingheart liberal neocons are trying to help are killing our soldiers.

Estimated Insurgency Strength, June 2007: - 70,000

Population of Iraq 2007.: 27,499,638

% that are insurgents : .002%

Iraqi Security Forces Size: 500,000
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...011701406.html

% of the Iraqi People that are Iraqi Security forces: .018

ISF to Insurgent ratio: 7.14 to 1

Number of US Troops in Iraq: 160,000
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1206...googlenews_wsj

US Troops to Insurgent Ratio: 2.28 to 1

US AND IRAQI TO INSURGENT RATIO: 9.42 to 1

IF THE IRAQIS ARENT HELPING US THEN WHO IS?? IT SEEMS THAT THERE ARE FAR MORE IRAQIS THAT ARE FIGHTING WITH US THAN AGAINST US!

Tedminator · #22 (**permalink**) 03-26-2008, 08:50 PM

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IT SEEMS THAT THERE ARE FAR MORE IRAQIS THAT ARE FIGHTING WITH US THAN AGAINST US!

I would hope so.. it's their country and it's them that have to live there to begin with.

But you really do need to stop coddling the iraqis.
As you yourself have shown, given a chance some of them would not hesitate to put a bullet in an American's head.

Toby · #23 (**permalink**) 03-26-2008, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Tedminator

I would hope so.. it's their country and it's them that have to live there to begin with.

But you really do need to stop coddling the iraqis.
As you yourself have shown, given a chance some of them would not hesitate to put a bullet in an American's head.

I believe THIS is hardly coddling!

The Battle of Basra. Fought by Iraqis For Iraqis. It looks as though we are training them well! Im extreamly proud of this!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008...d=networkfront

http://www.reuters.com/article/lates.../idUSCOL554152

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNew...0325?hub=World

http://hotair.com/archives/2008/03/2...lash-in-basra/

Tuatara · #24 (**permalink**) 03-26-2008, 10:15 PM

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http://www.vetsforfreedom.org/heroestour/

NATIONAL HERO'S TOUR

Many of America’s most decorated war heroes from Iraq and Afghanistan have packed their bags and are hitting the road on a national bus tour to take their non-partisan message of progress and freedom from coast-to-coast.,,,

This is where this falls apart already.

FlakBait · #25 (**permalink**) 03-26-2008, 11:22 PM

Tedminator · #26 (**permalink**) 03-26-2008, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Toby

I believe THIS is hardly coddling!

Actually you do. Why is it I've never heard you critisize the iraqis?

Come to think of it, so far the only thing I've read from your postings is how stupid Americans are. But never a bad word about iraqis, some who kill American soldiers, and most of whom approve of Americans being killed.

Now why is that? Is it because the far-right care more for iraqis than they do Americans?

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Many of America’s most decorated war heroes from Iraq and Afghanistan have packed their bags and are hitting the road on a national bus tour to take their non-partisan message..

This is where this falls apart already.

Amazing, isn't it? Those decorated vets want to deliver a non-partisan message.. and the first thing our far-rightwingnuts do is call their own countrymen "stupid" and accuse Americans of being traitors.

DuH2 · #27 (**permalink**) 03-26-2008, 11:40 PM

This is very good. We need more such things.

DuH2 · #28 (**permalink**) 03-26-2008, 11:49 PM

Afghanistan-

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MURPHY, MICHAEL P.

Rank and Organization: Lieutenant, United States Navy

For conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity at the risk of his life above and beyond the call of duty as the leader of a special reconnaissance element with Naval Special Warfare Task Unit Afghanistan on 27 and 28 June 2005. While leading a mission to locate a high-level anti-coalition militia leader, Lieutenant Murphy demonstrated extraordinary heroism in the face of grave danger in the vicinity of Asadabad, Konar Province, Afghanistan. On 28 June 2005, operating in an extremely rugged enemy-controlled area, Lieutenant Murphy’s team was discovered by anti-coalition militia sympathizers, who revealed their position to Taliban fighters. As a result, between 30 and 40 enemy fighters besieged his four-member team. Demonstrating exceptional resolve, Lieutenant Murphy valiantly led his men in engaging the large enemy force. The ensuing fierce firefight resulted in numerous enemy casualties, as well as the wounding of all four members of the team. Ignoring his own wounds and demonstrating exceptional composure, Lieutenant Murphy continued to lead and encourage his men. When the primary communicator fell mortally wounded, Lieutenant Murphy repeatedly attempted to call for assistance for his beleaguered teammates. Realizing the impossibility of communicating in the extreme terrain, and in the face of almost certain death, he fought his way into open terrain to gain a better position to transmit a call. This deliberate, heroic act deprived him of cover, exposing him to direct enemy fire. Finally achieving contact with his Headquarters, Lieutenant Murphy maintained his exposed position while he provided his location and requested immediate support for his team. In his final act of bravery, he continued to engage the enemy until he was mortally wounded, gallantly giving his life for his country and for the cause of freedom. By his selfless leadership, courageous actions, and extraordinary devotion to duty, Lieutenant Murphy reflected great credit upon himself and upheld the highest traditions of the United States Naval Service.

Iraq-

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DUNHAM, JASON L.

Rank and Organization: Corporal, United States Marine Corps

For conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity at the risk of his life above and beyond the call of duty while serving as Rifle Squad Leader, 4th Platoon, Company K, Third Battalion, Seventh Marines (Reinforced), Regimental Combat Team 7, First Marine Division (Reinforced), on 14 April 2004. Corporal Dunham's squad was conducting a reconnaissance mission in the town of Karabilah, Iraq, when they heard rocket-propelled grenade and small arms fire erupt approximately two kilometers to the west. Corporal Dunham led his Combined Anti-Armor Team towards the engagement to provide fire support to their Battalion Commander's convoy, which had been ambushed as it was traveling to Camp Husaybah. As Corporal Dunham and his Marines advanced, they quickly began to receive enemy fire. Corporal Dunham ordered his squad to dismount their vehicles and led one of his fire teams on foot several blocks south of the ambushed convoy. Discovering seven Iraqi vehicles in a column attempting to depart, Corporal Dunham and his team stopped the vehicles to search them for weapons. As they approached the vehicles, an insurgent leaped out and attacked Corporal Dunham. Corporal Dunham wrestled the insurgent to the ground and in the ensuing struggle saw the insurgent release a grenade. Corporal Dunham immediately alerted his fellow Marines to the threat. Aware of the imminent danger and without hesitation, Corporal Dunham covered the grenade with his helmet and body, bearing the brunt of the explosion and shielding his Marines from the blast. In an ultimate and selfless act of bravery in which he was mortally wounded, he saved the lives of at least two fellow Marines. By his undaunted courage, intrepid fighting spirit, and unwavering devotion to duty, Corporal Dunham gallantly gave his life for his country, thereby reflecting great credit upon himself and upholding the highest traditions of the Marine Corps and the United States Naval Service.

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SMITH, PAUL R.

Rank and Organization: Sergeant First Class, United States Army

For conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity at the risk of his life above and beyond the call of duty:Sergeant First Class Paul R. Smith distinguished himself by acts of gallantry and intrepidity above and beyond the call of duty in action with an armed enemy near Baghdad International Airport, Baghdad, Iraq on 4 April 2003. On that day, Sergeant First Class Smith was engaged in the construction of a prisoner of war holding area when his Task Force was violently attacked by a company-sized enemy force. Realizing the vulnerability of over 100 fellow soldiers, Sergeant First Class Smith quickly organized a hasty defense consisting of two platoons of soldiers, one Bradley Fighting Vehicle and three armored personnel carriers. As the fight developed, Sergeant First Class Smith braved hostile enemy fire to personally engage the enemy with hand grenades and anti-tank weapons, and organized the evacuation of three wounded soldiers from an armored personnel carrier struck by a rocket propelled grenade and a 60mm mortar round. Fearing the enemy would overrun their defenses, Sergeant First Class Smith moved under withering enemy fire to man a .50 caliber machine gun mounted on a damaged armored personnel carrier. In total disregard for his own life, he maintained his exposed position in order to engage the attacking enemy force. During this action, he was mortally wounded. His courageous actions helped defeat the enemy attack, and resulted in as many as 50 enemy soldiers killed, while allowing the safe withdrawal of numerous wounded soldiers. Sergeant First Class Smith’s extraordinary heroism and uncommon valor are in keeping with the highest traditions of the military service and reflect great credit upon himself, the Third Infantry Division “Rock of the Marne,” and the United States Army.

http://www.history.army.mil/index.html

Tedminator · #29 (**permalink**) 03-26-2008, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by DuH2

This is very good. We need more such things.

It is very good indeed.

Just leave the partisan crap out of it, as the OP did.

Toby · #30 (**permalink**) 03-27-2008, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Tedminator

Actually you do. Why is it I've never heard you critisize the iraqis?

Really? You make this assumption because YOU PERSONALLY HAVE NEVER HEARD ME CRITISIZE IRAQIS? JEEZ MAN IVE ONLY BEEN HERE FOR ABOUT 4 WEEKS! GIVE ME A BREAK! I only give the Iraqis leave way because Ive seen the enemy murder their faimilys because of there service to there country. What American has EVER had to endure that? However you dodged my responce! Iraqis ARE Fighting for themselves in BASRA! Try and tell me otherwise!

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Originally Posted by Tedminator

Come to think of it, so far the only thing I've read from your postings is how stupid Americans are. But never a bad word about iraqis, some who kill American soldiers, and most of whom approve of Americans being killed.

Are you trying to say that I Place Iraqis above the American People? Certainly NOT! I simply know that it is vital to our national security that the Iraqis continue to succeed!

As far as my comments on the anti war crowd, YOU CANT TELL ME THAT THESE PEOPLE HAVE AMERICAS BEST INTEREST IN MIND!!!!!

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Originally Posted by Tedminator

Now why is that? Is it because the far-right care more for iraqis than they do Americans?

What? Because they know the consequences of handing a victory over to Al-Quieda? Im willing to bet that you would be fine with that! Right?

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Originally Posted by Tedminator

mazing, isn't it? Those decorated vets want to deliver a non-partisan message.. and the first thing our far-rightwingnuts do is call their own countrymen "stupid" and accuse Americans of being traitors.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schenck_v._United_States
LOOK LOOOONNNGGG AND HARD AT THOES ANTI WAR PROTESTORS! TELL ME THAT THEY ACTUALLY CARE ABOUT OUR AMERICAN DEMOCRACY! TRAITORS? ABSOLUTLY! YOU CANT TELL ME THAT THOES PEOPLE LOVE AMERICA!

AHHH THE GOOD OLD DAYS!
Schenck v. United States, 249 U.S. 47 (1919), was a United States Supreme Court decision concerning the question of whether the defendant possessed a First Amendment right to free speech against the draft during World War I . Charles Schenck was the Secretary of the Socialist party and was responsible for printing distributing and mailing 15,000 leaflets to men eligible for the draft that advocated opposition to the draft. These leaflets contained statements such as; "Do not submit to intimidation", "Assert your rights", "If you do not assert and support your rights, you are helping to deny or disparage rights which it is the solemn duty of all citizens and residents of the United States to retain." Ultimately, the case served as the founding of the "clear and present danger" rule.

The opinion
The Court, in a unanimous opinion written by Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr., held that Schenck's criminal conviction was constitutional. The First Amendment did not protect speech encouraging insubordination, since, "when a nation is at war many things that might be said in time of peace are such a hindrance to its effort that their utterance will not be endured so long as men fight, and that no Court could regard them as protected by any constitutional right." In other words, the court held, the circumstances of wartime permit greater restrictions on free speech than would be allowable during peacetime.

In the opinion's most famous passage, Justice Holmes sets out the "clear and present danger" standard:

"The question in every case is whether the words used are used in such circumstances and are of such a nature as to create a clear and present danger that they will bring about the substantive evils that Congress has a right to prevent."
This case is also the source of the phrase "shouting fire in a crowded theater," a misquotation of Holmes' view that "The most stringent protection of free speech would not protect a man in falsely shouting fire in a theater and causing a panic."

As a result of the 9-0 decision, Charles Schenck spent six months in prison.

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