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Old 04-03-2008, 06:19 PM
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The President should have not allowed the transfer to happen. But yes, I blame Congress as well. If it is unconstitutional (meaning against the "Law of the Land"), it is certainly illegal.
You say illegal, I say it was improvising. Things change. At one point the Constitution said black men had no rights.

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What documents? What is their relevance? What will they show?
This has been explained ad nauseum.

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I've proved many times over that Iraq was not a threat in any shape, way or form to the United States of America. I don't want to continue treading on the same road here.
The funny thing is, you have not proved a dammed thing.

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Not really. I guess I should be more clear and precise for people then. Invading a country for self-defense purposes or imminent danger to our national security (and rights) is acceptable
Well good, cause that is exactly why we went to Iraq.

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Invading a country for neither of those reasons and innocent civilians dying because of it, is wrong.
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Old 04-03-2008, 06:20 PM
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First things first. Turn off CAPS lock.
The US military and insurgents are trying to kill Iraqis. Since the insurgent are a direct result of the US purging the Ba'ath Party and the Iraqi military then most of the blame goes to the US.
So your calling me a murderer? The US military does not target the innocent! Never has never will! YOU CAN NOT BLAME AMERICA FOR THE ACTIONS OF THOES WHO WANT TO MURDER THE INNOCENT! AMERICA DOES NOT MAKE THEM KILL THE INNOCENT! THEY DO IT OF THEIR OWN FREE WILL! get that crap out of here! If someone invaded Canada I wouldent target the Canadians!

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I can't find one example of this on a credible news source. You can find it at WorldNetDaily but they are not credible.
Ive seen it with my own eyes! What have you got? But since you want an example here is a letter from the mayor of tell afar!>>
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/To_the...valry_Regiment

"Their savagery reached such a level that they stuffed the corpses of children with explosives and tossed them into the streets in order to kill grieving parents attempting to retrieve the bodies of their young."

You refusal to acknowlege the truth of how brutal the enemy is can only be atributed to your lack of first hand knowlege and political bias!

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There is no democracy in Iraq. They are killed for supporting the US which you cited earlier. Big difference.
They are killed for supporting the Iraqi Democracy. And there are alot of people who support the Iraqi democracy! But thats how terror works! Murder the innocent in order to draw support away from thoes who support america or an iraq democracy! YOU WOULD LET THEM GET AWAT WITH THIS!



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They can't fight the US in a conventional warfare. The US has more firepower, more technology, better equipment. The fight never started out fair.
YOUR TRYING TO JUSTIFY THEIR ACTIONS BECAUSE THEY DONT STAND A CHANCE AGAINST AMERICA UNLESS THEY HIDE BEHIND THE INNOCENT? WHOS SIDE ARE YOU ON? WOW WHAT A REDICULOUS ARGUMENT!!!!!!

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Probably nowhere the amount of bombs dropped by US forces on many buildings with a complete disregard for the women, children and civilians they killed.
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But they have killed many innocent Iraqis. Do you deny this?
BECAUSE THE ENEMY BROUGHT THE FIGHT TO THE CIVILIAN POPULATION! THEY DONT NEED TO FIRE AT US FROM MOSQUES, HOSPITALS, SCHOOLS, AND HOMES OF THE INNOCENT! THATS WHY THE IRAQIS ARE REJECTING THEM! THATS WHY THEY SIDE WITH US AS APOSED TO ALQUIEDA!

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Actually the blame goes to the Government but the Government is nothing without it's supporters and the support of the military.
So your saying that its our fault that the enemy makes the direct descision to murder the innocent? WE ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR THE ACTIONS OF OTHERS! WE HAVE DONE NOTHING THAT WOULD PHYSICALLY MAKE THE ENEMY TARGET THE INNOCENT!

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Do you blame Hitler alone for the Holocaust or do you blame the troops also (the Nazis). The Holocaust couldn't have happened without the support of the troops.
Murdering the Jews were done because an religious ideology. When the enemy killes the innocent it is done because of an religious ideology! Our troops do not fight for an religious ideology! ASK THEM!

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The truth can anger many people. Your anger is acceptable but it's pointed in the wrong direction.

My anger is pointing at thoes who make slanderous accusations at our military yet have never been to Iraq!
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Old 04-03-2008, 06:26 PM
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You say illegal, I say it was improvising. Things change. At one point the Constitution said black men had no rights.
Where?

Improvising? If they wanted to do that, amend the Constitution.

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This has been explained ad nauseum.
If I recall from a previous debate, I'm assuming these documents you are referring are the ones we picked up from Iraq...not sure what exactly they'll prove for your case.

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The funny thing is, you have not proved a dammed thing.
So you say over and over again without doing any of the work, while I break my back time in and time out to show this and show that and it means nothing apparently because I haven't provided anything.

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Well good, cause that is exactly why we went to Iraq.
I wish we did. But we didn't. Nobody in the world poses a threat to our national security now, in the past or probably anytime in the future. Nobody posed a threat to us (a country that is) before or after 9/11. Iraq, a third world country pretty much, certainly didn't. I think that kind of knocks down America to think that some little (*)(*)(*)(*)hole country like Iraq posed any semblance of a threat to the mighty America.

Iraq certainly wasn't infringing on my rights either. So nope, war not necessary.
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Old 04-03-2008, 06:32 PM
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If I may ask you a question CDP, did Iraq pose an imminent threat to the United States in your opinion?
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Old 04-03-2008, 06:34 PM
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If I may ask you a question CDP, did Iraq pose an imminent threat to the United States in your opinion?
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Old 04-03-2008, 06:35 PM
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I'm not even going to watch the video. I know the Democrats suck on the Iraq War. The Democrats are just as bad as the Republicans and have probably been worse for longer.
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Old 04-03-2008, 06:42 PM
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I'm not even going to watch the video. I know the Democrats suck on the Iraq War. The Democrats are just as bad as the Republicans and have probably been worse for longer.
But they believed Iraq was a direct threrat! And by UN Law we are justified in defending ourselves no matter what the Un thinks or believes. Would War had been neccesary if saddam cooperated with us? Probaly not! But he did not cooperate! He made a mochary of the inspections! War is and was justified the second that Saddam broke 11 terms of the 1991 case fire agreement and failed to let us search unapposed for WMD's as per 1991 case fire agreement!
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Old 04-03-2008, 06:46 PM
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Where?
I cant get the site to come up. I will post it later.

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Improvising? If they wanted to do that, amend the Constitution.
That takes time. We did not have time on our side. We lost a lot of intel because we sat on the border for so long.

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If I recall from a previous debate, I'm assuming these documents you are referring are the ones we picked up from Iraq...not sure what exactly they'll prove for your case.
You should start reading the other threads you participate in. From some of the documents that have already been released. We have been able to establish a strong connection between Saddam and various terrorist organizations.

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So you say over and over again without doing any of the work, while I break my back time in and time out to show this and show that and it means nothing apparently because I haven't provided anything.
Brother, if you think a google search and a poor explination of your findings is back breaking work, stand by, because the real world will drop a hammer on ya.

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I wish we did. But we didn't. Nobody in the world poses a threat to our national security now, in the past or probably anytime in the future. Nobody posed a threat to us (a country that is) before or after 9/11. Iraq, a third world country pretty much, certainly didn't. I think that kind of knocks down America to think that some little (*)(*)(*)(*)hole country like Iraq posed any semblance of a threat to the mighty America.
Now that is just an ignorant comment. You haven't the foggiest clue. But that is good. The people are supposed to feel safe.

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Iraq certainly wasn't infringing on my rights either. So nope, war not necessary.
Funny.
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If I may ask you a question CDP, did Iraq pose an imminent threat to the United States in your opinion?
I am pretty sure I have already answered this question.

If I did not think so, then I would not be using that as part of my argument on how it was not illegal.
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Old 04-03-2008, 06:50 PM
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I cant get the site to come up. I will post it later.
That takes time. We did not have time on our side. We lost a lot of intel because we sat on the border for so long.
So until that amending process takes effect, every single conflict since WW2 has been unconstitutional.

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You should start reading the other threads you participate in. From some of the documents that have already been released. We have been able to establish a strong connection between Saddam and various terrorist organizations.
I'm well aware of his ties. But none have proven to have attacked the United States nor fund Al Queda or anything of the sort. If it comes out as such, then we'll talk.

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Brother, if you think a google search and a poor explination of your findings is back breaking work, stand by, because the real world will drop a hammer on ya.
Haha. It was an expression. I find it enjoyable as a matter of fact because it allows me to pick up both sides of the coin so to speak.

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Now that is just an ignorant comment. You haven't the foggiest clue. But that is good. The people are supposed to feel safe.
Please do entertain me on why it is ignorant and why I haven't the "foggiest clue".


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Funny.
But true.
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