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Old 05-29-2008, 08:57 PM
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I don't care what you call it...this whole thread is about one thing...jealousy.
Ummm, did the c.e.o.s steal somebody's girlfriend or something?
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Ummm, did the c.e.o.s steal somebody's girlfriend or something?
No. It's jealousy from the dregs, that there are people in this country that worked ten times harder than they did, therefore they make a lot more money. They'd rather drag the achievers down to their level, than (gasp!) work hard themselves, and pick themselves up to the achievers' level.

So what's the "democrat" solution to this "loser jealousy?" Tax the sh*t out of those achievers, and drag them down to the "loser" level. Take all that money, and buy more votes from the losers.

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And before you socialists start in with your, "the middle class works hard too," ...yes they do. But the difference is:
  • Not all of them finished college (and I'm not talking 2-year community college)
  • Those that did finish college, didn't get a degree worthy of making good money.
  • While the middle class may work hard for 8 hours a day, the achievers work 10 hours a day.
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And I guess the money they have just grew on trees huh? No way they had to work for it from your perspective eh?


(by the way don't try the tired, inherited it bit, because less than 1% of all millionaires acquired wealth through inheritance, most of it was self made)
That last statistic sounds like a complete load of crap, if you'll pardon my French.

And actually, it did grow on trees. It's paper. Why do people say that?
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Old 05-30-2008, 01:19 AM
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While the middle class may work hard for 8 hours a day, the achievers work 10 hours a day.
That's not true. On average, CEOs specifically work less than pretty much anybody else on the planet except maybe, these days, Presidents.
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That's not true. On average, CEOs specifically work less than pretty much anybody else on the planet except maybe, these days, Presidents.
Got proof?? What makes you think you can just become a CEO or a president without a lifetime of dedication and hard work? thats ridiculous!

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That last statistic sounds like a complete load of crap, if you'll pardon my French.
No it doesn't.
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That last statistic sounds like a complete load of crap, if you'll pardon my French.
Alright so I'll back it up with evidence.
This source discusses people with incomes greater than $500k and less than 10% acquired their wealth totally through inheritance.
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1. According to a study of Federal Reserve data conducted by NYU professor Edward Wolff, for the nation’s richest 1%, inherited wealth accounted for only 9% of their net worth in 2001, down from 23% in 1989. (The 2001 number was the latest available.)
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2. According to a study by Prince & Associates, less than 10% of today’s multi-millionaires cited “inheritance” as their source of wealth.
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3. A study by Spectrem Group found that among today’s millionaires, inherited wealth accounted for just 2% of their total sources of wealth.
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Don't stop yet, I have another source, while I'm still fishing for the source for my original claim, you can munch on these, because all of these sources sight the exact claim that I'm making that, being rich isn't a matter of inheriting it from mom and dad but through wise investments and hard work. I know this is hard to swallow when you been fed a steady diet of class warfare from your mindless politicians, but it most certainly is not a "load of crap".

Here's more and I'm only doing this since you basically accused me of being a liar.

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And actually, it did grow on trees. It's paper. Why do people say that?
It's actually a mix of cotton and paper, but that obviously wasn't the point i was trying to make, but I'll chalk it up to naivety.
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That's not true. On average, CEOs specifically work less than pretty much anybody else on the planet except maybe, these days, Presidents.
Statistics made up on the spot are always the best kind huh?
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That's not true. On average, CEOs specifically work less than pretty much anybody else on the planet except maybe, these days, Presidents.
Got proof? The CEO's I've been around all work much more than 40 hours. Sure, they might not spend all 40 behind their desks, but they also bring work home with them, or work on the weekends.

...the last two, of course can't be substantiated by the dregs, because heaven forbid someone actually work on a weekend, or work voluntary overtime.
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I don't care what you call it...this whole thread is about one thing...jealousy.
Jealous of All CEOs? Give me a break, this whole thread is talking about social justice.
Why CEOs in our country were making mistakes of filing people and ruining their company, they don't have to pay any price but enjoy their fat compensation and retirement bonus. They all learn the basic techniques of CEO's tricks: filing people, faking financial reports and manipulate their company stock price.

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Those that did finish college, didn't get a degree worthy of making good money.
With the same education level why some chose to be a professor and make less than 50k a year while others becomes CEO and makes 1000 times more? It is a freedom of choice of profession. Education has nothing to do with it.

CEO's salary in this country is way out of proportion in compare with other workers in the same company. My observation of average CEO's capability up to this day is still no more than Filing people, Exaggerate financial reports and manipulating company's stock price in the market. Of course, all they have to do is just OPEN their mouth and someone will do the work for them.
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Those statistics you cited don't say what you said they do, Anikdote. Also, I can't help but notice that what you cited was a blog, and they didn't cite their source. But even if we take the statistics in that blog at face value, they don't imply anything even close to what the blog attempts to imply. Actually, I guess the blog succeeded in its implication because you seem to believe that it's saying something that it's actually not, though it's clearly trying to mislead you.

When a millionaire says that their money doesn't come from inheritance, that may be technically true (though I wouldn't just take it for granted that the millionaire is telling the truth the way that blog does). I'm sure that some of that money is profit generated by the inheritance since it was inherited. But that doesn't mean the same thing as saying that inheritance had nothing to do with the millionaire's wealth, or that the millionaire would even be a millionaire without that inheritance. If you inherit $100 million from your parents, and you manage to make it into $200 million by the time you die and leave it to the next generation, can you really claim that your money wasn't inherited? I don't think so.

And of course CEOs claim they're always at work. They think they're working when they're golfing. And okay, maybe they are, but how do you compare that to someone shoveling gravel? There's working and then there's working.

Maybe I'm just weird this way. Old-fashioned, I guess is the term. But I'm of the opinion that in the real world, working with your hands and doing an honest day's labor is worth more than all the talking in the world. And that's really all CEOs do, is talk. Now, maybe somebody needs to be doing that talking, and maybe, if they show leadership (rather than the mere exploitation that many CEOs seem to be engaging in), I mean real leadership, then they can claim to be at least somewhat responsible for whatever success a company enjoys. But so can the janitor, if he's done his job well.

You guys can have your little feudalistic financial heirarchy, okay? Leadership can earn more than labor, if it makes you happy, though I don't get why it does. But don't go crazy with it, okay? And that's what CEOs are doing these days. And their leadership is clearly not worth that much, not to the people working for them and finding themselves without the benefits they were promised -- promises that a CEO, if a true leader, is responsible for. Get it?

How does the military handle it? Generals make more than privates, right? What's the pay-scale like in the military? How much more does leadership make there?
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