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Old 03-30-2008, 02:09 PM
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I CAN UDERSTAND THE RATIO 1:100 OR EVEN 1:250. BUT 1: 1000 IS RIDICULOUS.
Not really. Think of it this way (random numbers but it will make sense in the end). A small business that has 500 employees has a CEO that makes a hundred grand a year.

Large business that has twelve thousand employees CEO makes 14 million a year.

The large business CEO is going to make more than the small business CEO because he is responsible for a lot more, and is making much more expensive deals. If they do not make that much money, there there would be no incentive for them to do well and make those big deals. So without the incentive, they don't work as hard, and the lower guy ends up getting his pay cut because the company is not making as much money.

If you do not want to be the little guy, then it is your responsibility to get out there and make more. It is not the responsibility of the CEO to give up his hard earned money to make it so you can work the same for more money.

Cutting his pay would be the same as the Company saying to the worker, Well, we are making boat loads of money, and you guys are doing a great job, but we are going to cut your wages anyway. Just does not make sense.

Lastly, why are you yelling?
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Interviewer:- Don't you admit that this is a terribly dangerous activity to be teaching children?
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Kinda funny that this comes up now. I suspect that one of my employees is harboring resentment about his paycheck though he hasn't had the nerve to say anything to me about it yet. If I am correct about his resentment, it has nothing to do with what he thinks he's worth to the company. He resents the fact that the other operator gets $9.50 more an hour than he does though their physical work is pretty much the same. Now, if he comes to me whining about why doesn't he doesn't paid as much as the other guy, I could list the reasons. I won't though because the other guy's check is none of his business.
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Kinda funny that this comes up now. I suspect that one of my employees is harboring resentment about his paycheck though he hasn't had the nerve to say anything to me about it yet. If I am correct about his resentment, it has nothing to do with what he thinks he's worth to the company. He resents the fact that the other operator gets $9.50 more an hour than he does though their physical work is pretty much the same. Now, if he comes to me whining about why doesn't he doesn't paid as much as the other guy, I could list the reasons. I won't though because the other guy's check is none of his business.
You are right, other people's paycheck is none of my business but the CEO does.
Simply because their record is out in public. No matter what they are still making too much. $20 millions vs $20 thousands annually [not me].
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You are right, other people's paycheck is none of my business but the CEO does.
Simply because their record is out in public. No matter what they are still making too much. $20 millions vs $20 thousands annually [not me].
But how much responsibility does the $20,000 employee have? If he screws up, how many of his co-workers lose their jobs?
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But how much responsibility does the $20,000 employee have? If he screws up, how many of his co-workers lose their jobs?

Most CEOS has someone else do the job for them, they actually do less work than you think. Of course he/she has the bigger responsibilities but after all is still a job not running a miracle factory.

So-called the higher up, the less work or Work Smart not Hard.
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Not really. Think of it this way (random numbers but it will make sense in the end). A small business that has 500 employees has a CEO that makes a hundred grand a year.

Large business that has twelve thousand employees CEO makes 14 million a year.

The large business CEO is going to make more than the small business CEO because he is responsible for a lot more, and is making much more expensive deals. If they do not make that much money, there there would be no incentive for them to do well and make those big deals. So without the incentive, they don't work as hard, and the lower guy ends up getting his pay cut because the company is not making as much money.

If you do not want to be the little guy, then it is your responsibility to get out there and make more. It is not the responsibility of the CEO to give up his hard earned money to make it so you can work the same for more money.

Cutting his pay would be the same as the Company saying to the worker, Well, we are making boat loads of money, and you guys are doing a great job, but we are going to cut your wages anyway. Just does not make sense.

Lastly, why are you yelling?
for injustice and unfairness that's all.
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Most CEOS has someone else do the job for them, they actually do less work than you think. Of course he/she has the bigger responsibilities but after all is still a job not running a miracle factory.

So-called the higher up, the less work or Work Smart not Hard.
You must have lost your mind. They do not just sit in an office all day and play solitary on their computer. They are making sure that you still have a job in the morning.

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There is nothing unjust or unfair about paying people with more responsibility more money.
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Interviewer:- Shooting! That's a bit irresponsible isn't it?

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Interviewer:- Don't you admit that this is a terribly dangerous activity to be teaching children?
You're equipping them to become violent killers.

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Most CEOS has someone else do the job for them, they actually do less work than you think. Of course he/she has the bigger responsibilities but after all is still a job not running a miracle factory.

So-called the higher up, the less work or Work Smart not Hard.
I think that is too much of generalization to hold true. I work for a HUGE corporation, over 120K workers worldwide. Our CEO is very public and open to the company. While there are several vice-presidents and department heads for him to delegate to, the man keeps an exhaustive schedule. 18 hour days and 4 countries in a week to put out fires? Not me buddy, I like my 50 a week and the weekends with my kids. He earns his check.
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I think that is too much of generalization to hold true. I work for a HUGE corporation, over 120K workers worldwide. Our CEO is very public and open to the company. While there are several vice-presidents and department heads for him to delegate to, the man keeps an exhaustive schedule. 18 hour days and 4 countries in a week to put out fires? Not me buddy, I like my 50 a week and the weekends with my kids. He earns his check.
If they are so useful why wouldn't they just hire 5 more CEOs to do all the jobs and fire the rest of the workers.
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If they are so useful why wouldn't they just hire 5 more CEOs to do all the jobs and fire the rest of the workers.
How old are you? I do not mean this as an insult. But I would think that anyone that is smart enough to operate a computer would realize that five people can not do the job of five hundred. And why would they want to do manual labor if they are qualified to be a CEO?

You are just not making sense.
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