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Old 04-13-2008, 11:04 PM
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The miserable government schools are little more than the institutionalization of the left-wing agenda.
Yeah we should abolish this whole "learning thing" and go back to living in caves...

The alternative to privatize education is no more appealing than the current system. A private school is free to teach whatever it wants, whether it be nazism or islamic fundamentalism or magic dragons and stay-puffed marshmellow men. At least with the current structure you have a venue to voice your concerns. True, you have the choice to not send your children to the theoretical Kim Jong Il institute of America, but the problem is that many others might and that presents a danger to society as a whole. Imagine going to the park or the mall not knowing what the people around you are learning: pedophilia? polygamy? prostitution?

Currently, having the choice of both public and private education seems to satisfy everyone's needs and desires.
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Did you read this? The bulk of the scientific communities in these articles talk about the increase in greenhouse gases playing a role in global warming, which I mentioned, NOT the fact that mankind's actions are responsible for massive amounts of climate change.

New and stronger evidence supporting human involvement in global warming I can agree with, but it is irresponsible (and agenda driven) to blame humanity as the major factor attributed to climate change.
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I think apart from the debate over global warming, there is a compelling reason for America to step away from its reliance on fossil fuels. For starters, it would decrease the amount of funds currently going to prop up evil empires in the middle east. And, it would make us less reliant upon these unstable regimes for our fuel needs.

I see nothing but benefits to America's longterm stability and quality of life in alternatives like solar power, wind power, and hybrid autos.

Even the most die-hard conservative should agree that were we to remove our need to appease icky governments in third world regions, this could only benefit us longterm.
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Anyone who blindly takes anything from Wikipedia as "fact," is a fool. Wikipedia has been criticized for it's bias, since any old gomer can edit it.

How many legs does a dog have? Go ahead and trust Wikipedia.

Man-made global warming? Go ahead and stick your head in the sand.
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Even the most die-hard conservative should agree that were we to remove our need to appease icky governments in third world regions, this could only benefit us longterm.
Yes, but it's the conservatives who understand that alt-fuels are still a long ways off, from being a true alternative. In the mean time, oil is still king, and the world has a demand that must be met. Anyone who disagrees needs to go run home to momma.
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Yes, but it's the conservatives who understand that alt-fuels are still a long ways off, from being a true alternative. In the mean time, oil is still king, and the world has a demand that must be met. Anyone who disagrees needs to go run home to momma.
Agreed. Let's hope America leads the way in the future of these alternatives.

For the time being, all of you who are pointing the finger about man-made global warming better be riding your bikes to work and reading by candelight at night.
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I disagree. Solar is already at a point that it makes financial sense for many consumers, depending on the climate in which they live.

Wind is also being utilized, successfully, in many places.

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This is a logical fallacy known as the false dilemma. There are many measures that a person who is concerned about global warming can take aside from riding a bike and/or reading by candlelight at night (ludditeism).

Furthermore, the idea that conservatives must oppose the idea of global warming is a fallacious one.

Conservatives can listen to scientific opinion and favor measures designed to decrease America's use of fossil fuels for entirely legitimate conservative reasons. I disagree that taking measures to reduce a company's energy usage is necessarily anti-conservative.

A good example is Walmart corporation who saves tens of millions of dollars on energy usage by selectively replacing light fixtures with skylights, light sensors, and flourescent lighting. In this instance, reducing energy expenditures allows the company to operate more efficiently and deliver a better product to consumers. This is the essential nature of capitalism, and is thus inherently conservative.

I would contend that reducing our reliance on the middle east, reducing our expenditures on fossil fuels whose profits are used to prop up unstable regimes, and taking cost-saving and energy efficient measures are all inherently conservative actions. Furthermore, by resisting such actions, and using fallacious arguments and name-calling to stifle dissent, I would suggest that some posters label themselves as anti-conservative since conservatives would inherently favor free speech and the power of the free marketplace of ideas.

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I disagree. Solar is already at a point that it makes financial sense for many consumers, depending on the climate in which they live.

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Not to a point where it can replace oil, and it never will. The US already tried solar power during the early 80's, and as soon as big oil (in all its forms) got a whiff of competition, it made its prices to good to pass up. Supply and demand will always dictate.

The market for oil as cheap energy is an enormous roadblock for any alternatives. I do hope solar power can be used to help alleviate the need for as much oil, but we are still far off from a replacement.
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