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Old 04-22-2008, 06:13 AM
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We're currently paying $2.15 per litre ($7.53 per us gall) of super unleaded in France. Good. Maybe people will think twice before getting into their cars.

I currently pay about $7 US per gallon here in South Korea. I live in the 6th smallest city but there are so many cars that you spend most of your time idling in line to go through a light. Often it is faster to take the bike! The only reason that I drive to work is that there are no bike paths or sidewalks for the second half of the trip (there are some in most of the city) and Korean drivers are NUTS. Driving in the street is really suicide.

The thing is in Malaysia, the government has "pampered" the citizens with highly subsidized petrol all these years, and has made it affordable to drive around. Revoking the subsidies slightly last year, provoked loads of protest and dissatisfaction. It is a mess that the government placed themselves in. Unless someone is daring and drastic enough to reduce the subsidies, this matter will continue.


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Um...did you read your own chart?

The US is at the BOTTOM of that chart, heh heh. According to your chart, people in the US pay less for gas than people in Taiwan. In fact, only Indonesia and Malaysia pay less than Americans, and not by a wide margin.

According to your chart:

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$.75 per Liter ($2.83 per gallon)

Taiwan:
$.95 per Liter ($3.59 per gallon)
Don't be so stupid to compare with this chart, go google yourself[ there is no comparison, Taiwan do not produce any single drops of Oil.

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But your initial claim that Taiwan pays less for gas than we do is obviously wrong according to your source.
Please find that sentence for me, When did I ever say that?
All I said is that there are governments from democratic countries taking actipons to take care of its people from high gasoline price.

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Even in Asia, only Indonesia and Malaysia pay less than we do...and THAT is only because of government subsidies. Even with those subsidies, they don't pay significantly less than we do.

Thanks for proving my point.
I still can't see your point.

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Old 04-22-2008, 06:24 AM
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Don't be so stupid to compare with this chart, go google yourself[ there is no comparison, Taiwan do not produce any single drops of Oil.
Why did you post a link to the chart if you don't consider it's information reliable?


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All I said is that there are governments from democratic countries taking actipons to take care of its people from high gasoline price.
On the one source you posted, a guy that is supposedly from one of those countries said it was a mess, because now the government doesn't dare remove the subsidies. According to your chart, they STILL don't pay that much less than us, even with their "protection" from the government.

All your chart did for me was emphasize how lucky I am to be living in America and how spoiled we are from all the cheap fuel we get.


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I still can't see your point.
It sure looked like you did, since you posted evidence supporting my opinion.
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Why did you post a link to the chart if you don't consider it's information reliable?
You took that chart and make your own calculation of the guesstimate price, which is not 100% accurate. PS. That is the only resource in English I can show you, you should at least thanks for doing that. Or otherwise go google yourself.


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On the one source you posted, a guy that is supposedly from one of those countries said it was a mess, because now the government doesn't dare remove the subsidies. According to your chart, they STILL don't pay that much less than us, even with their "protection" from the government.
Imagine if their government don't do anything.

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All your chart did for me was emphasize how lucky I am to be living in America and how spoiled we are from all the cheap fuel we get.

It sure looked like you did, since you posted evidence supporting my opinion.
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You took that chart and make your own calculation of the guesstimate price, which is not 100% accurate.
If you have more accurate figures, feel free to post them. I'm not the one who posted that chart...you are.


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That is the only resource in English I can show you, you should at least thanks for doing that.
I never thank people for posting their own evidence. It's expected. It's not a favor, heh heh.

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If you have more accurate figures, feel free to post them. I'm not the one who posted that chart...you are.



I never thank people for posting their own evidence. It's expected. It's not a favor, heh heh.

This is a political debate forum, not some hippie wellness center.
I have not seen any evidence from you can proof your own case or deny mine.

Anyway, From now on, you do your own google to support your point of view.

I don't give a DM whether you agree or not. I only know by the time people like you start screaming about gasoline price, we all will be in the mud or turn into citizens of third world country.
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Instead of asking the government to take the tax off gas, your time would be better spent working toward reducing demand and supporting R&D incentives. There is no band aid fix here. Growing world economies are demanding more oil. So unless someone finds more oil, the world is going to continue having an issue until demand is reduced. A stronger dollar would help reduce prices in the short term, but in the long term you still have the same issue. And gas taxes are not the issue here in the U.S. Plus, you aren't paying $8.00, so be glad about that.
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I have not seen any evidence from you can proof your own case or deny mine.
Mostly because I didnt have to...you did it for me, heh heh

My own case was that you are exaggerating the fuel "crisis". My case was that Americans have it pretty good when it comes to fuel costs. You've done an excellent job in supporting my case.


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Anyway, From now on, you do your own google to support your point of view.
I asked you to support your own view, not mine. You failed to do that. You did not post evidence showing that Americans are burdened by fuel cost when compared to the rest of the world.

I never asked you to support my claims. Just your own. I am still waiting for you to do it.



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I don't give a DM whether you agree or not. I only know by the time people like you start screaming about gasoline price, we all will be in the mud or turn into citizens of third world country.
If that happens, we'll still be on the top of the heap, since everyone else will be paying double what we are. So your threat is kinda empty.
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Instead of asking the government to take the tax off gas, your time would be better spent working toward reducing demand and supporting R&D incentives. There is no band aid fix here.
You are SO naive...dont you know that government can fix anything?
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From the beginning of this thread, I have never denied that we American over-used gasoline on cars. My thread is asking our government to do something to ease the gasoline price hike and give American people a little relief. We are the third largest oil production country in the world and we still have to rely our supply two third from those greedy OPEC nations. It is a problem our government should foresee long time ago [in the 70's] but our government fails to do so. Time like now, there's no time to blame but to find a temporally solution to minimize the impact on our people and economy.

Should I complain about the gasoline price is not fair for me since I have been always driving fuel-efficient car? And I should not pay the price like now? No, We are all in the same boat and only our government can do something to help us go thru this and that's what government is for.
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