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Old 08-18-2004, 05:49 PM
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Default Here is one reason why tort reform must be done carefully...

They are puppets to big business.

Canada protects their people from exorbitant drug prices by putting a cap on how much dreg manufacturers can charge. For that reason, Canadaian drug are FAR cheaper than the same medications sold in the US.

Now, you would figure that a larger, more powerful country could, at least, get the same low prices, but the US hasn't. And, if that is not bad enough, the government won't even allow people to get medication from Canada legally. Now, to try to justify the unjustifiable, a federal agency has played the terrorism card.

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/World/Wa...578240-ap.html

As bad as some people think lawyers are, we have to admit that if the goverment isn't going to care about the people and if the federal agencies aren't going to care for the people (look up Listeria on google), the lawyers might be the final line of defense for the common man.
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then all the candians would get verysick if their prrescriptions are sced up by a terrorist

Clinton tried to take on medicare a decade ago, but failed to do anything (at least he tried whereas GDub didnt bother!)

I have some advice for the Americans who wish to lower healthcare costs:

End the social charter that turns doctors into millionaires

Isnt this alowing companies to regulate themselves (smaller govT) supposed to drive down costs???????
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I have some advice for the Americans who wish to lower healthcare costs:

End the social charter that turns doctors into millionaires
I don't have a problem with doctor becoming millionaires (so long as they don't maim or kill their patients). It is difficult to become a doctor and the effort must be rewarded or the best and brightest will choose another profession where they can make millions.
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This is a ridiculous situation. Many (most?) of these drugs originate in the US, are shipped to Canada, then Canada can turn around and sell them back to US citizens cheaper than the originating US companies are willing to do!

Also strange that our FDA, which is supposed to be about Food AND Drugs, doesn't seem nearly as concerned about all the FOOD we import from all over the world as they are about these drugs from our nearest neighbor.
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Also strange that our FDA, which is supposed to be about Food AND Drugs, doesn't seem nearly as concerned about all the FOOD we import from all over the world as they are about these drugs from our nearest neighbor.
The FDA doesn't even care about the food companies that sell products that harm the public. The fact, and for that matter the theme of this thread, is that since the politicians have abandoned their responsibiliy to protect the American people, and since the federal (and to a lesser extent state) regulatory agencies have also abandoned their responsibility to protect the American people, the ONLY protection we have is the threat of civil lawsuits and before we remove that threat, we should think long and hard about the consequences.

George Bush doesn't like lawyers. I think the reason for that is that he tried to get into the University of Texas Law School, but he found out that while a rich and powerful daddy can get anyone into Harvard and Yale, a person has to earn their way into law school. He has never gotten over the rejection.

George Bush does like businessmen. And, if a person gives him enough money, Bush can be persuaded to sell-out the American people no matter what dangers are posed. If you don't believe me, google Listeria and ergonomics, and a host of other "favors" Bush has done for the big businesses that have helped him become president. One of the worst betrayals against workers came when Bush proposed changes to the labor code that would eliminate over-time pay for about 8 million workers.

http://money.cnn.com/2003/06/26/news.../epi/index.htm

Politicians like Bush and the regulatory agencies they head don't care about the people and the welfare of the people are seriously in danger (as many examples have shown). When this happens, it is the much-maligned lawyer who is the last hope for those who are harmed.

Remember one thing: if trial lawyers didn't exist, ford would have killed many more people with their Pintos.

I think we should have "lawyer appreciation day." LOL

And remember, when Dick the Butcher remarked that he and Cade should "kill all the lawyers," their reasoning was that without lawyers, the path to tyranny would be clear. Bush's unparalleled attack on the Constitution and his selling out of the American people in favor of big business show that the threat attorneys pose to corporate America may be our only meaningful protection.
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here stop for a second to think about the implications of price caps here in the states? I realize econ is not the forte of many here, but you may be able to work through it for a second and see the end result. THINK. Don't feel.
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Default I place alot more confidence in crusading state

attorney generals like Charlie Crist or Elliot Spitzer than I do the trial lawyer's associaion to deal with price-gouging by the pharmaceutical industry.

The trial lawyers aren't in it for the benefit of society, they're in business to enrich themselves, just like the corporations.

Of course, I don't have a problem with people enriching themselves, however, it does make me somewhat immune to the spin presently coming from the trial lawyers' associations about how much we "need" them.

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Which company makes the drug your mom is taking?
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here stop for a second to think about the implications of price caps here in the states? I realize econ is not the forte of many here, but you may be able to work through it for a second and see the end result. THINK. Don't feel.
Since many us of aren't economic mavens, and since you imply greater knowledge than we have, perhaps you would flesh out your opinion here? Since many countries, namely Canada, cap the prices that Pharmaceuticals are allowed to charge, how would the US doing the same result in negative "implications?"
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Chiron.

We believe they are price-gouging, and I'm in the process of preparing a letter to Charlie Crist's office asking him to investigate.

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