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Default How Much Damages Cost Us In The Past 50 Years

Data Source, $$$ Adjustments please see: http://www.sip.ucar.edu/sourcebook/data.jsp

HURRICANE:
State Rank Total Normalized Damage (millions 1999 US$)
U.S. Hurricane Damage
excluding Hawaii and Puerto Rico $600,895
Florida 1 $271,666
Texas 2 $106,829
Louisiana 3 $66,950
North Carolina 4 $34,516
Mississippi 5 $30,765
New York 6 $18,534
South Carolina 7 $17,433
Connecticut 8 $16,430
Alabama 9 $13,191
Rhode Island 10 $10,330

FLOODS 1955 - 2006

State Rank* Total Damages (millions 2006 US$) Total Wealth Adjusted Damages (millions 2006 US$)
U.S. Flood Damage $243,264.82 $379,658.84
Louisiana 1 $51,313.79 $58,666.86
Texas 2 $20,921.13 $30,758.64
Pennsylvania 3 $16,179.76 $32,422.24
Florida 4 $15,841.82 $18,192.21
California 5 $14,850.06 $26,369.35
Iowa 6 $10,980.55 $16,426.84
Missouri 7 $7,972.01 $13,514.94
Illinois 8 $6,675.87 $10,925.54
New York 9 $6,289.89 $11,299.69
North Dakota 10 $6,208.99 $8,768.09


TORNADOES 1950 - 2006
State Rank* Total Damages (millions 2006 US$) Total Wealth Adjusted Damages (millions 2006 US$)
U.S. Damage Total
$48,745.28 $89,900.56
Texas 1 $4,923.17 $8,707.10
Oklahoma 2 $3,992.27 $6,133.93
Indiana 3 $3,950.57 $8,047.31
Georgia 4 $2,617.93 $5,024.51
Kansas 5 $2,567.06 $5,176.81
Minnesota 6 $2,285.13 $4,894.78
Ohio 7 $2,148.91 $3,838.46
Missouri 8 $1,974.96 $3,671.41
Mississippi 9 $1,841.81 $3,013.19
Illinois 10 $1,754.28 $3,548.27


THE NUMBERS ARE HERE, WHAT CAN WE DO TO SAVE LIVES AND $$$?
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THE NUMBERS ARE HERE, WHAT CAN WE DO TO SAVE LIVES AND $$$?
How much money do you think it would cost tax payers to build hundreds of millions of concrete houses? Now do you really think it will save money? If people want to protect their lives for the extra expense, they are certainly free to do so, but if they do not think that that protection is worth the cost, then why force them to accept it?
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How much money do you think it would cost tax payers to build hundreds of millions of concrete houses?
Fear not, Komrade! Under JC's uber-socialist plan, Mother Government would just forcibly PUT you in a concrete abode for your own good! Remember, it is not your responsibility to keep your family safe, it's Mother Government's! You don't need any responsibility anymore! Mother Government shall take care of you!

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If people want to protect their lives for the extra expense, they are certainly free to do so, but if they do not think that that protection is worth the cost, then why force them to accept it?
What is this "free" that you speak of, komrade? Don't you know Mother Government is here to protect you, like a newborn puppy?

Relax komrade! Mother Government is here to...
* Tell you where to live
* Tell you where to work (and how much you're allowed to make)
* Tell you what kind of car to drive
* Tell you what you can or can not eat
* Tell you what you can watch on TV
* Tell you whether you're sick or not, and what medicines can be administered to you.
* Regulate every single minute of your life.

No, it's not slavery because it's Mother Government! Mother Government loves you!
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Default Did I ask our govenment to pay it all?

You guys need to pay attention to what I siad not just assume that what I would say.

Did I aever mention our govenment should pay it all?

All I am asking are:

1. Different region has different building code.

2. If the wood-framed houses has been destroyed by tornado or hurricane, and if our Government is going to use tax payer's money to fix anyway, might as well to build some concrete condos to resident those victims. Thney have choice to choose to buy new concrete safer structre condos. Or they can rebuild wood-framed houses on their own.
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That's the problem; tax money is being used to bail these people out and it shouldn't be. In the wake of Katrina, not one dime of federal money should've gone down there to help any citizen or business.

If these people want federal and/or state assistance, then strings should be attached and they should be forced to comply with stricter building codes and relocation if need be. If that's too much to ask of someone, then they can forget government help.

Just look at those number I listed above, can someone total that number and tell me how much it has already cost us? What is the result?
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If the wood-framed houses has been destroyed by tornado or hurricane, and if our Government is going to use tax payer's money to fix anyway, might as well to build some concrete condos to resident those victims.
No one wants to live in concrete houses. They won't...buy...them, so why should Mother Government build something that can't be sold...unless Mother Government forces you to live in them...like the Soviet Union did.

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Thney have choice to choose to buy new concrete safer structre condos. Or they can rebuild wood-framed houses on their own.
You're right. They DO have a choice, and they choose stick homes. What part of "no one wants to buy concrete homes" don't you get?? You say you're not socialist, but you want the government to force people to live in these horrible dwellings. It doesn't make sense.
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You guys need to pay attention to what I siad not just assume that what I would say.

Did I aever mention our govenment should pay it all?

All I am asking are:

1. Different region has different building code.

2. If the wood-framed houses has been destroyed by tornado or hurricane, and if our Government is going to use tax payer's money to fix anyway, might as well to build some concrete condos to resident those victims. Thney have choice to choose to buy new concrete safer structre condos. Or they can rebuild wood-framed houses on their own.
If the government was going to pay for it, it would use tax payers money.

By instituting harsher building codes, it forces you to use your money.

There is not much of a difference, the government would still force you to do something that would not be to your advantage. The government should not use tax payers money like that in the first place, so you should be crying out about that instead of that they should spend it more efficiently. Let's help get things moving in the right direction instead of further towards a socialist society.
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No one wants to live in concrete houses. They won't...buy...them, so why should Mother Government build something that can't be sold...unless Mother Government forces you to live in them...like the Soviet Union did.


You're right. They DO have a choice, and they choose stick homes. What part of "no one wants to buy concrete homes" don't you get?? You say you're not socialist, but you want the government to force people to live in these horrible dwellings. It doesn't make sense.
Do you have any relatives has been victims of any tornados and hurricanes?

How can you speak for them if your house has never threaten or damaged by these natural disasters.

You think Japanese are stupid to switch from their lovely Japanese traditional wood-framed houses to Concrete block? People living in the coastal regions have the experiences and they have a choice to live safely. Our government has been totally ignored people's lives and safety to accommodate with lumber/construction lobbyist’s business. No secure buildings codes ever come up to make sure people's house are safe to live in trouble area. That's why American people are so used to wood-framed houses. And with people like you who don't give a dm to other people's lives and wasted tax payers money as well as the country bear with the third world country building standard. That's why I titled a land with wood-framed houses; it could last forever till the next big one hit us.
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If the government was going to pay for it, it would use tax payers money.

By instituting harsher building codes, it forces you to use your money.

There is not much of a difference, the government would still force you to do something that would not be to your advantage. The government should not use tax payers money like that in the first place, so you should be crying out about that instead of that they should spend it more efficiently. Let's help get things moving in the right direction instead of further towards a socialist society.
Dear, our govenment did send aids to every disaster regions and money pretty much has been spent on rebuilding wood-framed houses and wating for the next hurricane visist.
If the government is spending our money why not build a stronger structrue so it will last much longer.
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Do you have any relatives has been victims of any tornados and hurricanes?

How can you speak for them if your house has never threaten or damaged by these natural disasters.
Maybe they should have made a better investment, maybe having their house destroyed and risking their lives was a better choice then spending more money than they had to get a concrete house. Playing the emotion card won't work in a logical discussion, as it is a logical fallacy.

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You think Japanese are stupid to switch from their lovely Japanese traditional wood-framed houses to Concrete block? People living in the coastal regions have the experiences and they have a choice to live safely.
I would imagine that in Japan, the cost/benefit of building a concrete house is more sensible. If the chance of having your house destroyed is enough that the cost of building a concrete house is worth it, then the sensible thing to do is to invest in a concrete house. This is not the case for most people.

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Our government has been totally ignored people's lives and safety
If only...

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to accommodate with lumber/construction lobbyist’s business.
That sounds like a conspiracy theory. Have any proof? Would you say that they were only accommodating the concrete/construction lobby if they built concrete houses?

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No secure buildings codes ever come up to make sure people's house are safe to live in trouble area.
If the government builds you a house and it falls down, sue the government. If you build a house that falls down, sue yourself. You don't need a building code to tell you what to do.

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That's why American people are so used to wood-framed houses.
I think that is probably because they are cheaper than concrete.

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And with people like you who don't give a dm to other people's lives and wasted tax payers money as well as the country bear with the third world country building standard. That's why I titled a land with wood-framed houses; it could last forever till the next big one hit us.
People can protect themselves, and I care very much about wasted tax payers money; there should be none. Building standards don't force you to live in a bad house, you can build whatever kind of home you see fit, concrete or wood.
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