It took the second bomb to prove to the Emperor that he could no longer stand by and do nothing so he forced his suicidel military to surrender.

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You know you guys can sit here 60 years after the fact and monday morning quarterback all you want. When i comes right down to the Japanese were as fanatical if not more so than the Islamist we are fighting now. They believed there emporer was a living god. So you explain to me the options of fighting a people that thought it was better to commit suicide than be captured? Would jump into a plane or a oneman sub packed with explosives and ram into an enemy ship. Would strap explosives to themselves and do banzi charges.

You justify to me why America should have to sacrifice on more American than it has to to defeat a fanatical enemy who didn't take prisoners and if they did they were treated so badly they wished they were dead.
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Did they look like psychos? Is that what they looked like? They were vampires. Psychos do not explode when sunlight hits them, I don't give a **** how crazy they are!

Why are you defending a country that drew first blood on the US when they did a sneak attack on a Sunday Morning at Pearl Harbor while people were sleeping or at church all while their diplomatic envoys were negotiating for peace in Washington? They even sent balloon bombs in the jet stream to the U.S. killing children in Oregon. If they had more time to develope nerve gas or a atom bomb they would have done it this way. Some 9,000 were sent to attack us by using the Air Stream. The U.S. Army hid the attacks from the public to avoid panic. Can you justify the deaths at Pear Harbor, especially the ones entombed on the USS Arizona and the civilians that were killed? They even strafed the hospitals at Pearl.



http://www.japan-101.com/history/fir...loon_bombs.htm

http://www.findingdulcinea.com/news/...in-Oregon.html

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just FYI I started this topic on the history forum here

Japan: drop the bombs or not ?????

no matter how you argue the Japanese Military doomed these victims years before these bombs were dropped. they the same as flipped that switch and dropped those bombs. they are responsible. and admitted it. they admitted America was weak. and would refuse to fight. so put the blame where its due. this was a classic example of what happens when the military runs a country.

I am merely distinguishing between killing military targets and civilian targets.
The Japanese military and its government deserved everything they got.

A 6 year old Japanese girl did not DESERVE to be nuked.

As was already Stated, Japan has no natural resources. A naval blockade would have possible resulted in the same end.
Yes invading Japan would have been horrible, but we probably didn't need to do that.

The only thing I did, that is making you soo angry, is arguing that the women, elderly, and children of those two cities did NOT deserve their deaths.

Much the same way that no women, child, or elderly person or ANY civilian deserves death because of what happened at Abu-Garib.

Your logical inconsistancies along with all the other apologists, would allow any member of Iraq to murder any American civilian.


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yes they did derserve to die. by the decree of the Imperal Army. this was their order. not ours. learn something about history. you are narrow minded and refuse to look at the bigger picture. disasters happen because of a series of events leading up to them.

You can argue all you want about who should and shouldn't be held responsible, fact of the matter is the Japanese sentenced their own citizens to death because of there samurai mentality.

And there is a large divide between what happend at Abu-Garib and the Japanese bushido code. The soldiers at Abu-Garib were tried and sentenced for the acts. The Japanese weren't going to punish anyone for their acts more than likely they were rewarded. You think I'm an appologist, guess what I don't appologize for Nagasaki or Hiroshima.


Are you shedding a tear for the Germans there were 3 times as many German civilians killed as Japanese civilians - and we invaded Germany the hard way. Guess things didn't work out so well.

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To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of the women

Did they look like psychos? Is that what they looked like? They were vampires. Psychos do not explode when sunlight hits them, I don't give a **** how crazy they are!

We could've just blockaded them, they had no resources and would've een forced to capitulate. Why did we have to step down to their level?

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they were blockaded. they were starving but....................with the Army in charge

Sure and how long would it have taken for them to decide that enough was enough? Maybe a couple million starve to death before they decide to give up the goat. But then we would be on here debating how evil America is for starving those poor Japanese civilians to death.

About 1.6 Million German civilians died during the bombing and invvasion of Germany.
About 500 thousand Japanese civilians died.

You do the math which way spared more lives?

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Conan! What is best in life?
To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of the women

Did they look like psychos? Is that what they looked like? They were vampires. Psychos do not explode when sunlight hits them, I don't give a **** how crazy they are!