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97240sx · #21 (**permalink**) 05-10-2008, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by f100supersabr

from our rules :

"Avoid personal attacks. This is probably the most subjective of guidelines; however, approach it like this: ATTACK THE MESSAGE, NOT THE MESSENGER.
Many topics are emotionally charged. This passion for what one believes in should remain in the discourse. However, please refrain from attacking another user in a personal way. Personal attacks do not contribute to a debate. While you may attack a user's ideas, views, political affiliation, political party, political candidate, government, etc... you must not attack the poster personally. Those who engage in this may get a private warning, a public warning, or even have their posting deleted. Continued disregard towards this guideline may result in being banned from this board."

I used sarcasm once or twice to poke fun at a racist post and it waaas deleted:

So it would be acceptable to say: "That was a racist statement."
Something unacceptable would be: "Each of your statements have been racist, therefore you are a racist."

White Fox · #22 (**permalink**) 05-10-2008, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by 97240sx

Swapping the word "liberal" in for "racist" is quite rediculous.

I will now break down the logic behind this claim.

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These are two different words with different meanings.

Yes, they do.

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Swapping words is not a substitute for an arguement,

Yes, meaning that the argument remains the same.

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especially one where you appear to be advocating for a person's right to be a racist.

If the argument remains the same even if you change what you are talking about, then I could "appear to be advocating for a person's right to be a liberal"

The fundamental logic behind an argument should not change with what is being argued over.

Son Of Man · #23 (**permalink**) 05-10-2008, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by White Fox

I'm not a racist but I could say:

That could be the single stupidest thing I've ever read, EVER--in the entire history of stupid things. Liberalism shouldn't be tolerated period. If it is acceptable on this board, then it would be true that the forum is being run by advocates of liberalism and possibly liberals themselves.

That would be the utmost in deceitfulness, masking a political liberal agenda and presenting it as a legitimate forum to discuss politics. Promotion of such polarization can only lead to civil disorder and eventually open war. There is extreme danger to society in fostering these ideas and I urge caution and "farsightedness" to predict where such liberal promotions will lead our society into the future. The civil war wasn't really that long ago and was fought over these same principles. If you think about it, the civil war didn't fully end until Brown v. Board of Education in 1954 and it's subsequent civil rights acts. We've seen the destruction caused when one group of people imposes itself upon another. I urge and warn you not to promote liberalism by allowing it for the consequences are devastating to all of us.

Finally, if you guys are indeed promoting liberal ideals, then at least be genuine and open about it and don't hide it behind some "political forum" and try to deceive people. Seriously, are you trying to start another civil war here? You can't fool all the people all of the time.

Come on, at least support freedom of speech for your own sake.

LOL! You confused me for a second there, White Fox. "Racism," "Liberalism," I get it now.
I once did a thesis. Tell me what you think. I maintained that Liberalism is the future of Consrevatism, since today's Con is indeed yesterday's Lib. Case-in-point:
Yesterday's Liberal woman wore her skirt above the knee, listened to Elvis, and smoked in public. Today's Conservative woman wears her skirt above the knee, listens Elvis, and smokes in public.
What do you think?

superdude17* · #24 (**permalink**) 05-10-2008, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Son Of Man

I asked him if he was a racist.
"Just the way life is"...?
It is a sad fact that on this hallowed soil, and under this star spangled banner of freedom, blacks were more than welcomed into white neighborhoods until after January 1st, 1863.

Perhaps if you could see Barak Obama as a man, rather than a race, you might see the unfairness of this comment. But if Mayor Nagin is on the right track, and improving his city, then all canditates should be praising his efforts, not just one.
But this is my sense of fairness.

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Originally Posted by Son Of Man

LOL! You confused me for a second there, White Fox. "Racism," "Liberalism," I get it now.
I once did a thesis. Tell me what you think. I maintained that Liberalism is the future of Consrevatism, since today's Con is indeed yesterday's Lib. Case-in-point:
Yesterday's Liberal woman wore her skirt above the knee, listened to Elvis, and smoked in public. Today's Conservative woman wears her skirt above the knee, listens Elvis, and smokes in public.
What do you think?

conservative women are the hottest. no comparisons needed.
liberals seem to attractive the disgusting, pot-smoking, acne-swarmed, hippie women.

and, yes, the parties switched once...not a very good comparison.

back to the new orleans and the destruction of "government housing"

97240sx · #25 (**permalink**) 05-10-2008, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by White Fox

If the argument remains the same even if you change what you are talking about, then I could "appear to be advocating for a person's right to be a liberal"

The fundamental logic behind an argument should not change with what is being argued over.

Except you forgot that racism is illegal and liberalism is not.

White Fox · #26 (**permalink**) 05-10-2008, 06:40 PM

See my argument here: Of "Left" and "Right"
It is for this reason that "conservative" and "liberal" have no meaning and should be replaced with terms that have an ideological base. I have a firm ideological base in the principles of John Locke, Adam Smith, and Edmund Burke, which makes me a conservative today. That does not mean I will abandon my principles in 20 years in favor of what liberals are talking about today. Then I will probably be classified as a reactionary. Your logic is Hegelian in its nature which places it in the same category as Hitler's. I disagree.

White Fox · #27 (**permalink**) 05-10-2008, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by 97240sx

Except you forgot that racism is illegal and liberalism is not.

Racism is not illegal, only for the government to be racist.

Son Of Man · #28 (**permalink**) 05-10-2008, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by superdude17*

...and, yes, the parties switched once...not a very good comparison.

Huh?
You mean Liberalism and Conservatism?
Those aren't parties, my friend. They are political philosophies. Each of which can be found in all parties.
You missed the point. But Ok. New Orleans it is.

Son Of Man · #29 (**permalink**) 05-10-2008, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by White Fox

Your logic is Hegelian in its nature which places it in the same category as Hitler's. I disagree.

I think I need a medic. I'm bleeding.
Ok, but Hitler not withstanding, you will see what I mean when you observe a granddaughter trying to convince her Conservative great-grandmother that, "I really am a Conservative!"

White Fox · #30 (**permalink**) 05-10-2008, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by superdude17*

and, yes, the parties switched once...not a very good comparison.

The parties really did not switch, certain party allegiances did. Black voters abandoned the Republican party when it became apparent that Reconstruction would be unable to continue. They joined the Democratic Party when FDR promised reform. The Constitutional interpretations of the two parties did switch as well, with the Federalist Party (the ideological Republican party) favoring a loose construction and the Democratic-Republican Party (the ideological Democratic Party) favoring a strict construction. Their goals never changed though.

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