25% of LA 's welfare money goes to illegal aliens! - Page 4

BillyBob · #31 (**permalink**) 05-14-2008, 05:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Ixtellor

Take any demographic or economic indicator and compare it to your home State. Then pack your bags.

Ixtellor

'Your' unemployment rate is much higher than 'mine'.

But please don't pack your bags, stay right there with all your beloved wetbac....er....illegal immigrants.

JMS · #32 (**permalink**) 05-14-2008, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by BillyBob

Then why does California rank 48th in unemployment?????

The only states with higher unemployment is Alaska and Michigan.

http://money.cnn.com/pf/features/lis..._unemployment/

must be a problem with the really low wage jobs. because of the illegals, haha.

raytri · #33 (**permalink**) 05-14-2008, 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Anikdote

So by your math and logic, we should be able to pay off our national debt in less than a half hour...

Oops, my math was off a bit. $10 billion is actually about 6 hours and 45 minutes worth of our annual economic output.

($13 trillion annual GDP/31,556,926 seconds in a year = $412,000 per second)

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Illegal immigrants of all varieties are a drag on our economy, and more specifically our health care system.

In the short term. As are most immigrants except the exceptionally skilled, because they're coming here and starting over, often from the bottom. In the long term, though, immigrants (legal or illegal) are a benefit.

My point was to demonstrate that the economic cost of illegal immigration is not even a rounding error in an economy as big as ours. Making it an economic issue is a losing argument.

The better argument against illegal immigration is based on national security.

raytri · #34 (**permalink**) 05-14-2008, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by C-D-P

Actually. That is an annual estimate.

Yes, I know. But it's still an estimate focuses solely on the short-term costs, not the long-term benefits.

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As some politicians have said with other matters. What else could we have done with the money used here, for this other purpose?

A fair question, but $10 billion is a drop in the bucket in our economy. It's not a big enough number to justify massive corrective efforts. It's a month of combat operations in Iraq, or (if you prefer) the amount of waste uncovered in Iraq reconstruction spending. It's what Americans spend on video games in a year.

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Answer me this (yes we all know the answer). How long have there been illegals?

Considering that the whole idea of an "illegal" immigrant is relatively modern -- for much of our history immigration was almost entirely uncontrolled -- that's a trick question. But basically, there have been illegal immigrants for as long as we have defined the term.

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What have they contributed as a whole to justify it?

In the long term, they contribute just as much as any other immigrant. If someone's great-great-great-grandfather was an illegal immigrant, does anyone know? Is that a meaningful predictor of their ability to contribute to society?

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To the rest of your post. That is just ridiculous.

Just pointing out the relative smallness of the problem.

BuckNaked · #35 (**permalink**) 05-14-2008, 08:25 AM

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They'll do jobs we don't want to do.

People don’t want to do jobs they cannot make a living at, go figure?!

Jobs are supposed to provide individuals with enough money to place a roof over their head and food in their belly, create income for communities and allow an individual to better themselves, maybe even raise a family. The use of illegal slave labor is only creating slave labor wages in jobs that used to help families better themselves and even put their kids through college. Today you take/accept a job like that and you have to receive government subsidies to supplement your (what can laughingly be referred to as a) income? While the companies (corporate entities) enjoy the benefits of a slave labor force, and receive tax benefits for creating jobs that, for the most part, only place a larger unnecessary burden on the government (health care, welfare, food stamps, etc…).

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must be a problem with the really low wage jobs. because of the illegals, haha.

That or it’s all those unemployed actors?

Ixtellor · #36 (**permalink**) 05-14-2008, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by BillyBob

Then why does California rank 48th in unemployment?????

The only states with higher unemployment is Alaska and Michigan.

http://money.cnn.com/pf/features/lis..._unemployment/

Total unemployment or per capita?

Ixtellor · #37 (**permalink**) 05-14-2008, 08:36 AM

Social security solvent because of illegals.

Variety of links.
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/H...ocial_security

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Illegal aliens who work under stolen or fraudulent Social Security numbers will never receive Social Security benefits, so the hundreds of billions of dollars they contribute represent what Sullivan rightly calls "essentially free money to the system." Eduardo Porter reported in the New York Times that payroll taxes from illegal aliens represent approximately ten percent of the so-called Social Security surplus.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/05/bu...migration.html

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In the current decade, the file is growing, on average, by more than $50 billion a year, generating $6 billion to $7 billion in Social Security tax revenue and about $1.5 billion in Medicare taxes.

Our assumption is that about three-quarters of other-than-legal immigrants pay payroll taxes," said Stephen C. Goss, Social Security's chief actuary, using the agency's term for illegal immigration.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/LIVING/perso...rant.taxes.ap/

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Federal law prohibits paying Social Security to illegal immigrants, but the administration factors in both legal and illegal immigration when projecting the trust fund's long-term solvency.

This is especially important as the 78 million-member baby boom generation begins to leave the work force and draw Social Security checks.

"Overall, any type of immigration is a net positive to Social Security. The more people working and paying into the system, the better," Hinkle said. "It does help the system remain solvent."

Ixtellor

Ixtellor · #38 (**permalink**) 05-14-2008, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by BillyBob

'Your' unemployment rate is much higher than 'mine'.

But please don't pack your bags, stay right there with all your beloved wetbac....er....illegal immigrants.

I live in Texas, our unemployment rate is 4.3%
Yours is 4.5%.

You did succeed in finding an economic indicator where Louisiana beats California. Congratulations.

Can you find anymore, or you just going to accept a score of 1-478.

Ixtellor

P.S. I wonder if Louisiana is seeing migration losses or gains, year to year.

Anikdote · #39 (**permalink**) 05-14-2008, 08:47 AM

Well if you'd read to the end of my post you'd seen that my major issue with immigration isn't the economic aspect but the legal one. Which I suppose inturn relates to national security.

I don't have any issue with legal immigrants being a drag on the economy initially, after all almost everyone comes here with nothing, seeking opportunity.

JMS · #40 (**permalink**) 05-14-2008, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by BuckNaked

That or it’s all those unemployed actors?

that too! lots of people like holdin out for somethin better. youd think they could just work somewhere they dont like in the meantime to at least not be bums, haha.

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