25% of LA 's welfare money goes to illegal aliens! - Page 5

Ixtellor · #41 (**permalink**) 05-14-2008, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Anikdote

Well if you'd read to the end of my post you'd seen that my major issue with immigration isn't the economic aspect but the legal one. Which I suppose inturn relates to national security.

I don't have any issue with legal immigrants being a drag on the economy initially, after all almost everyone comes here with nothing, seeking opportunity.

Then I apologize if we are in agreement.

I would add, that most radical muslims cross over in Canada. Canada has a significant population of fundamentalist Muslims and their border has no coverage at all.
So why are you fixated on the souther border?

Ixtellor

Anikdote · #42 (**permalink**) 05-14-2008, 11:24 AM

Because people see the Mexican issue, it's clear and visible. Perception is reality.

Professor Peabody · #43 (**permalink**) 05-15-2008, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Ixtellor

Then I apologize if we are in agreement.

I would add, that most radical muslims cross over in Canada. Canada has a significant population of fundamentalist Muslims and their border has no coverage at all.
So why are you fixated on the souther border?

Ixtellor

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Illegals from terrorist nations are crossing the border into Arizona.

Take for example, the capture of terrorist suspect Jose Padilla. The Justice Department says Padilla and an accomplice planned to enter the U.S. thru Mexico to blow up apartment buildings in major cities, like New York.

Or the case of suspected al-Qaeda sleeper agent Mohammed Junaid Babar.

Babar has told investigators of a scheme to smuggle terrorists across the Mexican border. He's tied to a terror plot to carry out bombings and assassinations in London.

And the Tombstone Tumbleweed newspaper reports that in June, 53 Middle Eastern men were apprehended by Border Patrol agents near Willcox.

It's believed they were from Iran or Syria.

http://www.kvoa.com/global/story.asp...Type=Printable

My bold to highlight my question. I looked and can't find a single story reporting what you said, where did you come by that information?

White Fox · #44 (**permalink**) 05-15-2008, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Ixtellor

Then I apologize if we are in agreement.

I would add, that most radical muslims cross over in Canada. Canada has a significant population of fundamentalist Muslims and their border has no coverage at all.
So why are you fixated on the souther border?

Ixtellor

Who said anything about just the Southern border?

Ixtellor · #45 (**permalink**) 05-16-2008, 05:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Professor Peabody

My bold to highlight my question. I looked and can't find a single story reporting what you said, where did you come by that information?

Well if you type "canada border terrorist" you will get about 5 million hits. With one proven case of a muslim terrorist crossing the Canadian border.

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In December 1999, Algerian terrorist Ahmed Ressam was caught trying to cross the Canadian-American border at Port Angeles, Washington, with explosives in his car. Ressam belonged to a Montreal-based terrorist cell thought to be linked to both the Algerian terrorist group Armed Islamic Group (GIA) and Al Qaeda. The cell was apparently planning a millennium terror attack at Los Angeles International Airport.

http://www.adl.org/terror/tu/tu_0401_canada.asp

Here is news on just one Canadian terrorist cell.
http://www.canada.com/national/natio...a-3c8f6009581c

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Canadian counter- terrorism investigators have dismantled a suspected terrorist cell in Toronto whose members included an al-Qaeda-trained explosives expert, the National Post has learned.

I hope this helps.

Ixtellor

Professor Peabody · #46 (**permalink**) 05-17-2008, 04:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Ixtellor

Well if you type "canada border terrorist" you will get about 5 million hits. With one proven case of a muslim terrorist crossing the Canadian border.

Google Results 1 - 10 of about 953,000 for "canada border terrorist". (0.25 seconds)

The stories I saw mostly refer to the Millennium bomber crossing from Canada in 1999.

I do appreciate the two links you posted, it's nice to know the Canadian Police are working hard to stop terrorism. Don't mess with the RCMP, a lesson I learned the hard way while visiting to attend a Hockey game.

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Originally Posted by Ixtellor

So why are you fixated on the souther border?

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Mexican drug cartels and terrorist are recruiting for more fighters to train as soldiers

Michael Webster, Investigative Reporter
April 16, 2008

Mexican drug cartels according to recent press reports have military style training camps on and near the border with the United States. These Training camps are for military-style killers. Federal authorities say these camps have Afghanistan and other middle eastern instructors who teach the latest military fighting tactics that are utilized in Iraq and Afghanistan by the Islamic radicals that are fighting and killing American and allied troops in those countries. Mexican officials admit they know of special training camps in the Mexican states of Tamaulipas and Michoacan, where newly recruited Zetas take intensive six-week training courses in weapons, tactics and intelligence gathering.

Iran is believed providing at least some of the money for this recruiting and training program. The training camps are teaching hit and run gorilla technique's. Cells of Foreign Terrorist Organizations (FTOs) have sent their seasoned veterans to oversee the training of the new troops and to direct the war against the Mexican government on behalf of the Mexican Cartels. Trained fighters from al-Qaida, Hizballah (Party of God) Hamas (Islamic Resistance Movement) and Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC) have been seen in Mexico and the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) has reported cells from these terrorist organizations are believed here in the U.S. as well. According to a well placed CIA operative.

Former Mexican national security adviser and ambassador to the United Nations, Adolfo Aguilar Zinser, stated, that "Spanish and Islamic terrorist groups are using Mexico as a refuge… In light of this situation, there are continuing investigations aimed at dismantling these groups so that they may not cause problems". He also mentioned that the terrorist groups in question are located in the northern part of the country. "Islamic people" in Mexico sparked speculation among observers that the Lebanese Shi´ite terrorist organization Hizbollah have established cells in Mexico.

http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/58757

It's no secret, Mexico's government is a dysfunctional corrupt mess and for the most part is powerless to stop the drug cartels and terrorists. In some cases the Police and Military are assisting the cartels, not stopping them like in Canada.

It's easy to read ethnicity into this equation, but if Canada had the same cesspool for a Government that Mexico has, that would be cause for fixation on that border too.

Ixtellor · #47 (**permalink**) 05-19-2008, 05:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Professor Peabody

Google Results 1 - 10 of about 953,000 for "canada border terrorist". (0.25 seconds)

The stories I saw mostly refer to the Millennium bomber crossing from Canada in 1999.

I do appreciate the two links you posted, it's nice to know the Canadian Police are working hard to stop terrorism. Don't mess with the RCMP, a lesson I learned the hard way while visiting to attend a Hockey game.

It's no secret, Mexico's government is a dysfunctional corrupt mess and for the most part is powerless to stop the drug cartels and terrorists. In some cases the Police and Military are assisting the cartels, not stopping them like in Canada.

It's easy to read ethnicity into this equation, but if Canada had the same cesspool for a Government that Mexico has, that would be cause for fixation on that border too.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion about illegal immigration. What I don't like is the false argument that it is about fighting terrorism.

The only terrorist every apprehended at the border was from Canada.
Futhermore, Canada HAS a large muslim population, a portion of which is radicallized.
Mexico has a corrupt government and is suseptible to bribary.
But you have to remember that smuggling is a business. And Mexican smugglers do not want to draw more attention to a lucrative business.

If people want to integrate border security and terrorism, I would simple ask that they be intellectually honest and demand and recognize that the Canadian border is just as releveant if not more so.

Ixtellor

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