It's very sad, but I'm certain that the Russians at present are working very hard to ascertain the cause of the crashes...and will ultimately be able to determine what groups are responsible.

Don't forget, their intelligence service has been tracking muslim extremists in the former USSR for years.

Catz

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JW Frogen, my new favorite noob poster:

If you are such a weak jellyfish you can be bullied on a forum where you can ignore any poster you do not want to read than I suggest you move to Tibet, convert to Buddhism, protest the Chinese occupation, be killed as you will by the Chinese and hope you come back with some form of backbone.

they get to the bottom of the situation. Right now the facts are so scarce all anyone can do is guess. It would be a huge coincidence if the two planes simply crashed at the same time, but it's still possible. I doubt it, but you never know.

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The war is unpopular with the Russian people! Including many in the region are against it! The opinion of the American gov is really not a factor since the Mujahideen of Chechnya is to actually make everyone in the region to join them against the Russians. And if the Russians misbehave it would erode Putin's effort in strengthening the Pro-Putin Chechen government which have been installed in Grozny recently. Also, any more outrageous acts would probably stir up the Georgians to join the Muslim Chechens since the Georgians are Orthodox Christians but that does not matter because they are anti-Putin.

that it's unpopular with the people. I should have mentioned that, as well. But a terror attack tends to pull people away from the terrorists side, does it not? Assuming again there was actually terrorism.

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Here's an interesting article on this topic:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3598798.stm


What's terrible, is that when I heard of these 2 planes crashing, my first thought was not of Terrorism but of alcohol. Russian commercial pilots have a horrible reputation of drinking on the job - for example, where every other country in the world has a standard limit that a pilot can have in their system (usually no more then what you would have in your body after taking cough syrup) Russia is the only country where the limit of alcohol consumed by a pilot is "visible drunkeness"

http://www.icap.org/international/bac.html

In fact, it's not uncommon to see Russian Pilots sitting in a bar or lounge having a few shots of vodka before boarding to fly a plane

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...that the Islambouli are claiming responsibility.

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It's not drunk pilots. I'm just wondering when ALL the world is finally going to get onboard this war on terrorism....and realize it's not just an American/Israeli problem.

It was 2 Islamic women with plastic explosives strapped around their waists....each entering one of the planes. Sounds to me like the exact same thing they did in Spain.....just before an election. That means folks, that here in the states, we'd better be on our toes in the next two months! These people will stop at nothing in trying to take over the world:

"explosive hexogen detected on plane parts is the same type that Russian officials reported being used in earlier attacks by Chechen separatists.

On an Internet site connected to Islamic extremists, a statement from a militant group said the planes were attacked in retaliation for Russia's war in the predominantly Muslim region of Chechnya and warned it was only the first in a series of planned operations. There was no way to check the claim's authenticity.

The official announcement that terrorists had struck Russia's civil aviation industry - an essential transport sector for this vast nation - prompted only a low-key response. The government avoided drastic measures such as closing airspace or grounding flights, and President Vladimir Putin made no public comment on the evidence of explosives.

Analysts said the government was trying to avoid an embarrassing admission that Chechen separatists had succeeded again in striking at Russia - just days before a Sunday election in Chechnya to replace the small republic's assassinated pro-Kremlin president."

http://apnews1.iwon.com/article/20040827/D84NRDS80.html

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If that is what you would like the world to do, then define Terrorism - tell me who the good guys and bad guys are

Ie: is that the Catholics in Ireland who are fighting from the Oppression of the Birtish Government?

Is it the Chinese Government that have imprisoned and abused the people of Tibet?

Is it the Kurds, or the Palestinians, or the Isrealese or the Sudanese?

Remember - One mans Terrorism is another mans vigilantes

They should have kept their battle within Chechnya! This the only way to get the Russian people on your side and showing that Putin is an aggressor of human rights and a traitor in protecting the Russian people. This Islamic org has no focus at all just like Al-Qaeda.

On the other hand, I see that Putin will lose much in this episode of incompetence of the leadership in control of the crumbling Kremlin. Crumbling by the immoral and injust behaviour of Putin mr. ex-KGB and pet dog of the secret foreign orgs now controlling Russian natural resources.

As of the evening of the date on this post it is announced as a terrorist event. Stekim, you're on the right track. They get a copy of the passenger manifest and check names against bodies. Two names haven't been claimed. Two female Chechens, on seperate planes. One bought a ticket shortly before the flight. (probably suicide bombers) Everyone else has contacted the government and their names have been checked.

Two simultaneous events like this is no coincidence. I couldn't believe my ears when it was announced that they weren't going to "jump to conclusions".
Rrrrrrrrriiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

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